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Old 12-21-2011, 05:40 PM   #1
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There are movies already in 4K just no way to view them at home. Here is a place where you can find movies that were shot it 4K.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-dig...ing.shtml#2011
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Most of these films were not "shot" in 4K -- most were shot on film, others on "lesser" forms of digital -- but they were all mastered for DCP in 4K... that's a vow Sony made as a distributor.
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Most of these films were not "shot" in 4K -- most were shot on film, others on "lesser" forms of digital -- but they were all mastered for DCP in 4K... that's a vow Sony made as a distributor.
Film can have ~4K's worth of resolution, depending on how its shot.
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Film can have ~4K's worth of resolution, depending on how its shot.
Absolutely. In my mind, there is no better alternative to shooting on celluloid... I'm just saying the post was misleading. "Shooting" 4K+ is still extremely rare, and often those releases (like "Contagion" and "The Muppets") are released in 2K.
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Most of these films were not "shot" in 4K -- most were shot on film, others on "lesser" forms of digital -- but they were all mastered for DCP in 4K... that's a vow Sony made as a distributor.
Good point.

It's still a good resource, however; will someone please go and tell the good folks of the AVSforum that they're obligated to go out and buy The Bounty Hunter on BD now, as there would appear to be more than a fair chance that the featured encode possibly might have come from a 4K master source.
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Some of these titles like Casino Royale are showing a 2K DI on IMDB so I wonder if they were upconverted to 4K like 35mm films are given 70mm blow up prints.

I really wish there was a site that stated the if bluray masters were done in 4K or 2K. IMDB works for current releases but with catalog titles studios rarely advertise this and they should.

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How big of a display am I going to need to see a difference?
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How big of a display am I going to need to see a difference?
Bigger than the average person's TV. Bigger than the typical high-end home theater.

Most people don't even have big enough screens and sit close enough to justify having 1080p over 720p. In a world where 1080p is already overkill in most cases, 4K really isn't going to be justified in hardly any cases.
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How big of a display am I going to need to see a difference?

How good are your eyes? (if you can appreciate the aliasing artifacts in the welder's shirt here....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=162

then the difference between 2k and 4k should be easily obvious to you if you are willing to sit close enough to your display at home.

Expect professional desktop-sized 4k monitors which are practical for on-set usage, as knowledgeable D.P.’s are already clamoring for them…http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-tec...ml#post5405008
-especially to examine for noise when the D.P. could be getting close to pushing the limits of the exposure during a particular scene while shooting with high resolution cameras like the Sony F65 or the Red Epic.
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Bigger than the average person's TV. Bigger than the typical high-end home theater.

Most people don't even have big enough screens and sit close enough to justify having 1080p over 720p. In a world where 1080p is already overkill in most cases, 4K really isn't going to be justified in hardly any cases.

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I agree.
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What is ‘justified’ or what is not ‘justified’ in terms of discretionary spending on hobbies is a personal matter/decision for each consumer which I do not care to involve myself with. See…
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I can tell you that from reading the boards over the past several years, it is readily apparent that there is an overwhelming preoccupation with critiquing the presence of, the absence of, or the alteration of…. grain while watching Blu-ray movies at home, best summed up with one of the most commonly used acronyms on any audiovideo board post or in any Blu-ray review…..that be ‘DNR’.

So, not to mention the other benefits of 4k displays but, at least in regards to the serious videophile pursuit of refining one’s analysis of grain (and camera-originated noise, for that matter), 4k video source displayed on a 4k screen will be an advantageous higher level tool for those who wish to continue to enjoy that aspect (assessing the grain) of their Blu-ray watching.
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The Toshiba ZL2 does 4K, but because it's screen is 55" you'd need to sit 5' from the screen to notice a difference and 3' to get the full benefit. Unless you want to put this monitor in your hall, prepare to move your chair WAY up, I mean WTFU.

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How good are your eyes? (if you can appreciate the aliasing artifacts in the welder's shirt here....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=162

then the difference between 2k and 4k should be easily obvious to you if you are willing to sit close enough to your display at home.

Expect professional desktop-sized 4k monitors which are practical for on-set usage, as knowledgeable D.P.’s are already clamoring for them…http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-tec...ml#post5405008
-especially to examine for noise when the D.P. could be getting close to pushing the limits of the exposure during a particular scene while shooting with high resolution cameras like the Sony F65 or the Red Epic.
Odd, I saw the aliasing (you can also notice it on the steering wheel, above the Audi logo), while I don't consider myself being sensitive to it.
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The thing to remember is that by the time 4K is available screen sizes will be much larger and you won't have to pay so much for that size of screen.

I have a 100" screen now and I am sure I'd be able to notice the difference if it were 4K. Not only will the detail in the picture be greater, but the contrast and color for larger screens will also increase. Image a screen covering your entire wall and the clarity and accuracy of the color makes you believe that there really is no wall there but it goes on out into a forest setting, but you are in New York City far from any really dense forest like the Olympic National park in Washington state.

That's what I want.
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More color bits would probably have a greater positive affect on image quality than additional resolution (not that I don't think that additional resolution also would have a benefit - it certainly had a benefit in theatrical presentation.)

Also, after the splurge of McMansions, homes are getting smaller again, not larger, so the potential market for very large screen sizes, especially in cities, is not that great.

If you look at most new apartments being build in Manhattan, for example, most of the architecture is floor-to-ceiling windows of continuous glass in much of the apartment. There's actually very little wall space and very little space that can be dedicated to a screen of any size, never mind a screen larger than 65". In fact, there's very little room for bookcases, so these apartments are really being designed with a portable, virtual world in mind.
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well not everyone has a smaller home and I have many walls that I would much rather see some nice scenery than a wall. Also you may think that more colors would help but there used to be a time when people thought that 16.8 million colors was ridiculous and here we are now want 32 bit color. And no one really thought you needed a resolution greater than 1024x768.

The fact is most people really don't know what they want until the have the opportunity to make a choice.

Not to mention. Why do you think you need a wall? Why not have a screen over the windows? Ever see how they take a picture with the camera and place computerized pictures in there? Imagine seeing a picture of the city with snow and at times you see santa's sleigh or other cool things. There are many posibilities and if the picture quality is good enough you wouldn't even know you are really looking at a huge screen with a picture/video of the city being shown on the screen with computer animations added to make it suit the holiday.

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Not to mention. Why do you think you need a wall? Why not have a screen over the windows? Ever see how they take a picture with the camera and place computerized pictures in there? Imagine seeing a picture of the city with snow and at times you see santa's sleigh or other cool things. There are many posibilities and if the picture quality is good enough you wouldn't even know you are really looking at a huge screen with a picture/video of the city being shown on the screen with computer animations added to make it suit the holiday.
You'd lose parallax and it would be immediately obvious that you're looking at a flat screen. TVs are no replacement for windows. It'd also leave a silly dent on your electric bill to power a big-ass high tech screen that you won't even be actively watching.
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LG is showing a 4K set at CES next week.
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Also, after the splurge of McMansions, homes are getting smaller again, not larger, so the potential market for very large screen sizes, especially in cities, is not that great.
I don't get the connection. Do you think in order to properly watch a movie you need a mcmansion? this is what THX has to say about screen size to distance
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How do you calculate the best seat-to-screen distance for a plasma, LCD TV or projection screen? Divide the size of your screen by .84 (screen size is measured diagonally). For example, a 65-inch TV divided by .84 equals a 77-inch viewing distance (6.5 feet).
now I am not saying their metric is the only one (personaly I would say with todays tech you can easily go to just 1x screen width and with 4k even easier) but THX is a respectable organisation in the field and since they neither manufacture nor sell TVs it is not about getting people to pay more for larger displays. So are you saying that someone needs a McMansion in order to have a room where their head is 77" from their TV (after all I think you would agree that a 65" TV is much larger then the norm), just to put it in perspective a twin/double bed is 75" and a queen, king is 80" so if you have a bed and it is not from one wall to the other you can definetly have a large screen. But my guess is most people sit at around 10' plus from the display and that would mean 8.4' screen (or ~100" diagonal)

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If you look at most new apartments being build in Manhattan, for example, most of the architecture is floor-to-ceiling windows of continuous glass in much of the apartment. There's actually very little wall space and very little space that can be dedicated to a screen of any size, never mind a screen larger than 65".
I don't see how that is relevent or makes any sense, you can have a display in front of windows, or even in the middle of a room, for example, one of my frinds has an appartment in Ottawa windows on two of the sides over looking the river and parlament (gorgeous view), he wanted to enjoy it so the seats face the windows, he has blinds and a screen, when he is not watching TV or wants to enjoy the view it is all open and he can sit out enjoy the view and almost think he is in the country at night when wanting to watch TV he closes the blinds and pulls down the screen and turns on the projector.

An other example is my sister, her basement is an open floor plan, part of it is a gym with excercise equipment and part of it is a play room for th kids, between the two she has a 42" TV on a swivel stand, if the kids want to watch something while playing the TV faces that way, if someone wants to watch something while excercising they rotate the TV 180 degrees and they can watch something while excercising.

I realy don't get why windows or open floor plan means someone can't have a TV in their home.
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that is a sad comment. Unless yopu are a student that wants an excuse not to have friends over " We can't go to _____ place to watch it, he thinks it is the 1940's with his 10" display" it does not make sense. Do you realy think families have become so disfunctional that they can't sit together and enjoy each others company while watching a movie /TV show or sporting event and they all have to hide from each other watching their portable device? How about having friends over to watch the hockey game (or other sporting event)?

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You'd lose parallax and it would be immediately obvious that you're looking at a flat screen. TVs are no replacement for windows. It'd also leave a silly dent on your electric bill to power a big-ass high tech screen that you won't even be actively watching.
you do have a point, I doubt it will be useful in that way (though since we are in an imaginary world , it could be a 3D display and possibly , for power, it might not be full screen, if all that it is adding is Santa flying by, realistically the rest could be off. Also smart windows already exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_glass, even though they are nowhere close to what he is envisioning

on the other hand I agree, with dib, I gave an example of a friend and a projector in my previous post (but too many people are way too misinformed about projection (It is too expensive, does not look good, needs a dedicated room, too complex to use/set-up) but imagine if one day we have flexible OLED (or similar), you buy a rolled up TV, two screws to mount it on the ceiling and plug it in. You push "on" it rolls the screen down and starts playing, "off " and it rolls back up and does not interfere with the windows. Or even just a film with the equivalent of smart glass on the outside and OLED inside, you stick it on the window when off, it is as if there is nothing there, when on the smart glass blocks the light from outside (i.e. not transparent any more) and the OLED show the image.
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