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Old 01-10-2012, 04:51 AM   #1
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Sony has its eye on cranking up TV screen resolution.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:32 AM   #2
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:57 AM   #3
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The "cranking up TV screen resolution" statement has me puzzled. If you are talking pixel resolution, this prototype "Crystal LED" set is 1080p -- no different from countless other LCD and PDP sets.

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Old 01-10-2012, 02:17 PM   #4
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Very nice but when it hits I bet it will be expensive as hell! I guess this ends the rumors that Sony was going to get out of the "making HDTV's" buisness. I say this because I read and heard that Sony was thinking of getting out of producing HDTV's because they were suffering profit losses in that area. Like I said I guess this puts an end to that "rumor".
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Here is a video of it:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/269...ons/in/2454903

This begs a couple of questions:
When?!
Price?
And better than OLED?

I think that it is disappointing that Sony has nothing to offer this year except LCD with edge lit LED local dimming.
Shouldn't this be in the "New Display Technology" instead?
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:01 PM   #6
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That's the problem with Sony tv's (and pretty much everything Sony) is that they are always overpriced. They make good tv's (not the best) but not worthy of the ridiculous prices they put on them.
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I'm glad that marketing LCD panels as "LED" is coming back to shoot them in the foot. Always hated that, now how do you explain the Crystal LED isn't LED or LCD?

Hahaha.

This is what I've stated for a long time, replace the 512 lit zones (or whatever they got to with backlit LED) with 6 million lit zones and you'll really have something special on your hands.
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Been watching the CES show on Spike tv and they showed off the tv from Sony and it looks very very nice and it looks like nothing major is coming from Sony this year as far as new tv's are concerned. Their crystal LED tv though looks to be a winner but you can bet expensive as hell.
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I'm glad that marketing LCD panels as "LED" is coming back to shoot them in the foot. Always hated that, now how do you explain the Crystal LED isn't LED or LCD?

Hahaha.

This is what I've stated for a long time, replace the 512 lit zones (or whatever they got to with backlit LED) with 6 million lit zones and you'll really have something special on your hands.
Agreed. That is very misleading especially for the consumer who doesn't know better thinking they got a LED when the actually got a regular CCFL LCD.
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Agreed. That is very misleading especially for the consumer who doesn't know better thinking they got a LED when the actually got a regular CCFL LCD.
Huh? If the consumer got an LED LCD, then he did not get a CCFL LCD. And vice versa.

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Old 01-11-2012, 10:28 AM   #11
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I love some of the comments under all the text:
some guy's like "Imagine some poor soul soldering 6 million leds"
and another dude said: what if they are like christmas lights and when 1 goes out a bunch more go out too? Does Sony give you extra little tiny leds and tiny tweezers?! hahaha
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There is no difference between a CCFL tv and one that uses LED. All it is is the light source they use in the tv. All this talk of the less power, better blacks and shadow detail ect is nothing but a selling point for LED and nothing more. They also talk about a longer lifespan of a tv with LED. Really? I dont buy that at all. But this all being said Sony showed off the Crystal LED Tv last night on Spike tv's CES coverage and its looks and sounds great generally speaking but its only a demo model and when and if Sony does release it I am sure it wont be cheap. The question I have for Sony is what happened with their plans for OLED?
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There is no difference between a CCFL tv and one that uses LED.
No difference? Be careful with sweeping generalizations.

LED illumination can enable other technologies -- such as local dimming, backlight scanning, and wider color gamut -- that are not feasible with CCFL illumination.

So, au contraire, there can be definite difference(s) "between a CCFL TV and one that uses LED."

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The "cranking up TV screen resolution" statement has me puzzled. If you are talking pixel resolution, this prototype "Crystal LED" set is 1080p -- no different from countless other LCD and PDP sets.

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The rest of the article has a portion on upscaling BD players to 4k and a 4k projector.
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The rest of the article has a portion on upscaling BD players to 4k and a 4k projector.
Ah, after a second look at the CNET article, I see now that the article itself carries the sub heading, "Sony has its eye on cranking up TV screen resolution."

But that refers to the "Crystal LED" prototype, not the upscaling BD players and 4K projectors later in the article. So, the article author is confused.

Six million LEDs does not represent an increase in "TV screen resolution." Barring a PenTile, Quattron, or similar non standard pixel structure, every 16x9 1080p set has six million RGB pixels (1920 x 1080 x 3 = 6,220,800 to be exact).

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I'm not really into sitting 90 degrees of center & watching TV. Sure it may be "Brilliant", not something that would make me choose it over a Plasma.
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Huh? If the consumer got an LED LCD, then he did not get a CCFL LCD. And vice versa.

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Reread my and dobyblue's posts.
I did, and your post is still ambiguous or outright incorrect.

Agreed, a current set marketed as an "LED" TV is not really an LED TV. It is an LCD, but it does use LED illumination. So, it is not a CCFL LCD.

Your post suggests that consumer could buy an "LED" TV but somehow get a CCFL LCD instead.

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There is no difference between a CCFL tv and one that uses LED. All it is is the light source they use in the tv. All this talk of the less power, better blacks and shadow detail ect is nothing but a selling point for LED and nothing more. They also talk about a longer lifespan of a tv with LED. Really? I dont buy that at all. But this all being said Sony showed off the Crystal LED Tv last night on Spike tv's CES coverage and its looks and sounds great generally speaking but its only a demo model and when and if Sony does release it I am sure it wont be cheap. The question I have for Sony is what happened with their plans for OLED?
Have you ever seen an LED LCD display? Yes LED edge backlighting is not that big of a difference, other than brighter in most cases, but full array, local dimming displays can be very good, i.e. Philips, Sharp Elite (I can only account for those). I can tell you right now, that better black levels and greater shadow detail is very much real.
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i did, and your post is still ambiguous or outright incorrect.

Agreed, a current set marketed as an "led" tv is not really an led tv. It is an lcd, but it does use led illumination. So, it is not a ccfl lcd.

Your post suggests that consumer could buy an "led" tv but somehow get a ccfl lcd instead.

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