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Old 02-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #1
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Angry Kung Fu Panda 2 - TIRED of different ratios!!

So first off, this is not a purist thread. I realize that MANY prefer the 2:35 aspect ratio but I am getting sick and tired of MODERN films that are inconsistent in aspect ratio.

I just bought a 60" Panny Plasma and any Blu-Ray full 16x9 (1:85) is absolutely stunning and immersive. Then I throw in another Blu-Ray that is 2:35 and it just seems like a window to a view of something that COULD be amazing.

The worst example is the Wal-Mart exclusive Transformers 2 that switches between aspect ratios when there is a big fight scene. The 1:85 (IMAX, whatever) is SO incredible and then it switches back..

Animated films releases also are totally inconsistent which makes NO sense!!!

2:35 = Kung Fu Panda, Panda 2, Incredibles
1:85 = Bolt, Princess and the Frog, Madagascar 2

MAKE UP YOUR FRACKING MINDS!!!
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:04 PM   #2
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It's usually up to the director which aspect ratio they film in. For the Transformers blu ray, there is a version w/out the IMAX sections if the switching ratios really bothers you that much.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:12 PM   #3
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It's usually up to the director which aspect ratio they film in. For the Transformers blu ray, there is a version w/out the IMAX sections if the switching ratios really bothers you that much.
Right and standards ROCK. Having two completely different aspect ratios for Blu-Ray is stupid. I didn't buy a widescreen TV just to have it not be wide "enough"

Why don't we make HDTVs 2:35 instead? It's a big mess:

Some movies = 2:35
Some = 1:85
ALL games = 1:85
ALL HDTV content = 1:85

So why not just get rid of 2:35 alltogether?
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #4
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So first off, this is not a purist thread. I realize that MANY prefer the 2:35 aspect ratio but I am getting sick and tired of MODERN films that are inconsistent in aspect ratio.

I just bought a 60" Panny Plasma and any Blu-Ray full 16x9 (1:85) is absolutely stunning and immersive. Then I throw in another Blu-Ray that is 2:35 and it just seems like a window to a view of something that COULD be amazing.

The worst example is the Wal-Mart exclusive Transformers 2 that switches between aspect ratios when there is a big fight scene. The 1:85 (IMAX, whatever) is SO incredible and then it switches back..

Animated films releases also are totally inconsistent which makes NO sense!!!

2:35 = Kung Fu Panda, Panda 2, Incredibles
1:85 = Bolt, Princess and the Frog, Madagascar 2

MAKE UP YOUR FRACKING MINDS!!!
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:15 PM   #5
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Right and standards ROCK. Having two completely different aspect ratios for Blu-Ray is stupid. I didn't buy a widescreen TV just to have it not be wide "enough"

Why don't we make HDTVs 2:35 instead? It's a big mess:

Some movies = 2:35
Some = 1:85
ALL games = 1:85
ALL HDTV content = 1:85

So why not just get rid of 2:35 alltogether?
Without getting into exactly why different directors use different ARs and for what purposes they're used for, I'll ask you this: What would you do with all the existing movies originally shot in 2.35:1? Chop of the sides? Do a pan-and-scan transfer for them?

Think your cunning plan all the way through first, and then call us back, OK?
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:16 PM   #6
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Like I said... this isn't a purist thread. I know that many prefer 2:35, just stating that I am tired of two totally different standards.

Make it all one or stop making TVs and HDTV signals that are just 16x9.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #7
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And do what with all the existing movies originally shot in 2.35:1? Chop of the sides? Do a pan-and-scan transfer for them?

Think your cunning plan all the way through first, and then call us back, OK?
They do this all the time on HDTV broadcasts... better than using only a portion of your full TV screen...
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:19 PM   #8
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There isn't a standard AR. Also not all HDTV content is 16:9, any of the good movies channels are going to show the movie in the proper AR.

You are free to use the zoom feature on your television if you wish

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When I watch 2.35, I feel I am getting MORE of the picture not less.
I feel ripped off that my Running Scared movie has been cropped from 2.35 to 1.85. Yeah, it fills the screen but if I had known that, I wouldn't have bought it.
And I don't want to know which of my other movies have been cropped.

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Not this argument again. Kung Fu Panda 1 & 2 are supposed to be in 2.35:1 because that's what the director wanted in the theater and on home video. I think I need to post this again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:22 PM   #11
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They do this all the time on HDTV broadcasts... better than using only a portion of your full TV screen...
Wow. How do you manage to be a member of Blu-ray enthusiast site like this for 4 years and still post things like that as if you were a late-90s mouth-breather who bought only pan-and-scan DVDs from the Wal-Mart discount bin?
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #12
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There isn't a standard AR. Also not all HDTV content is 16:9, any of the good movies channels are going to show the movie in the proper AR.

You are free to use the zoom feature on your television if you wish

Bill

That is the whole point of this thread. I realize that films shot more than 10 years ago or so are exempt but we all know that 16x9 is the standard that is here to stay. All computer monitors are going 16x9, all HDTVs are 16x9, all games are 16x9 and all HDTV broadcasts are as well so why not just use that moving forward?

And SVENGE, because I am not a 2:35 purist. Sue me! After watching so many Blus on both aspect ratios, it's getting old.
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I usually don't even notice the difference. What's the big deal?
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That is the whole point of this thread. I realize that films shot more than 10 years ago or so are exempt but we all know that 16x9 is the standard that is here to stay. All computer monitors are going 16x9, all HDTVs are 16x9, all games are 16x9 and all HDTV broadcasts are as well so why not just use that moving forward?

And SVENGE, because I am not a 2:35 purist. Sue me! After watching so many Blus on both aspect ratios, it's getting old.
We do? I didn't get the memo.
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16x9 is the standard that is here to stay. All computer monitors are going 16x9, all HDTVs are 16x9, all games are 16x9 and all HDTV broadcasts are as well so why not just use that moving forward?
Umm... because movies are NOT the same things as a television show? Or perhaps despite the obvious commercial nature of motion pictures, composition and other artistic considerations are involved when choosing an film's AR during pre-production?

On another note: why should Blu-rays have 5.1 or 7.1 audio when your beloved plasma TV only has 2 speakers? Are you going to complain about that next?
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We do? I didn't get the memo.
You don't need a memo. EVERYTHING is 16x9 now:

-All HDTV broadcasts
-All PC and console games
-A lot of movies

The only thing left in 2:35
-Some other movies


Why keep hanging on to it? I am not blaming the users, it's just dumb that directors choose to do so.
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Below is a thread I made months ago for the newbies and/or members that think everything should be in 1.78:1.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=183967
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It honestly depends on the film, and half the movies you listed aren't even from the same studio. Also it depends on when the film was shot.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. With that said, you're looking at the whole 1.85:1 vs. 2.35:1 thing backwards. An HDTV is just that...a tv. Movies are made with a cinematic experience in a theater in mind. A proper projector setup with a cinemascope screen will seem far more immersive than a 1.85:1 ratio film on the same setup.

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You don't need a memo. EVERYTHING is 16x9 now:

-All HDTV broadcasts
-All PC and console games
-A lot of movies

The only thing left in 2:35
-Some other movies


Why keep hanging on to it? I am not blaming the users, it's just dumb that directors choose to do so.
Because you can get more into a 2.35:1 shot. Sometimes wider is better.
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