Journey To The Center Of The Earth (1959) 5/8/12 Limited to 3000 copies SOLD OUT

[hootowls]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Well that just shows that your opinion is flawed. My mother has never bought anything online (mid 60's). Her favourite film atm is Red Dog. She has it on BD. Bought it in a B&M store and probably paid top dollar for it.

And besides, the term "ma and pa" is a colloquialism that includes younger average folk in their 40's etc.

I think the relevant question is whether she would visit the local B&M in search of JTTCOTE to pay top dollar because she has an independent thought to own a copy. And not find it. Then remember to go and do a hard target internet search. And find it at SAE. And then setup an account and place an order for that and maybe a little something else that catches her fancy. Bonus points if she actually has a blu-ray player.

[cavesailor]

Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

Honestly? I find the notion that Ma and Pa are buying Blu-rays at all ludicrous. The only people of age that I know are even familiar with Blu-ray are movie geeks themselves and would have no problem searching out the information needed to find the Twilight Time releases.

In my experience, Blu-ray is owned mostly by younger people. Ma and Pa couldn't care less to upgrade because they have a hard time enough understanding the concept of hi-def. They are certainly not the people I see browsing the Blu-ray shelves in stores.

I know it is a little off topic, But I think that I qualify as a Pa as I am 63 with a son 23. I do not own a cell phone much less an I-anything. I now have about 400 Blu-Rays. Before buying a flat screen tv, all I knew about blu-rays were that they won the high def battle. In the BB deal for the tv, I got five free blues so I did do a Google search on blu-ray and found this site. I have TT, Kino and Criterion disks. I knew aout Kino from my own search for the film, "Blue Angel". I found out about TT and Citterian from this site.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by cavesailor

I know it is a little off topic, But I think that I qualify as a Pa as I am 63 with a son 23. I do not own a cell phone much less an I-anything. I now have about 400 Blu-Rays. Before buying a flat screen tv, all I knew about blu-rays were that they won the high def battle. In the BB deal for the tv, I got five free blues so I did do a Google search on blu-ray and found this site. I have TT, Kino and Criterion disks. I knew aout Kino from my own search for the film, "Blue Angel". I found out about TT and Citterian from this site.

You go cavesailor! That has been my experience almost to a word...as well as most of the 55 plus folks I know.

If they're fans, they know how to find this stuff.

[Joseph Goodman]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

You're assuming there is something better on film to go back to DaVid. Unfortunately, with Journey to the Center of the Earth, there isn't. At that time, Fox struck a new interpositive (IP) from the original black and white protection masters (YCMs),
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Not to go all captain pedantic, but...

You would not strike an interpositive (IP) from black & white separations, as those are positive low-contrast prints of each color channel. Fox printed the separations to a new internegative (IN), from which a new interpositive (IP) was struck. This new IP is what was used for the 2002 DVD (described on the "restoration comparison" featurette on that disc); whether or not the the new IN (third generation element), or the new IP (fourth generation element) was used for this transfer is unknown. Nick Redman posted a brief tidbit about the transfer on the Film Score Monthly board:

"the transfer used for the Blu-ray was a brand new digital scan done in 2010"

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Joseph Goodman

Not to go all captain pedantic, but...

You would not strike an interpositive (IP) from black & white separations, as those are positive low-contrast prints of each color channel. Fox printed the separations to a new internegative (IN), from which a new interpositive (IP) was struck. This new IP is what was used for the 2002 DVD (described on the "restoration comparison" featurette on that disc); whether or not the the new IN (third generation element), or the new IP (fourth generation element) was used for this transfer is unknown. Nick Redman posted a brief tidbit about the transfer on the Film Score Monthly board:

"the transfer used for the Blu-ray was a brand new digital scan done in 2010"

Good catch Joseph. I missed a step there.

But my larger point still stands...anything more to be done with Journey to the Center of the Earth will always be at least 1 generation away from the OCN (if scanning the 2nd gen YCMs), and likely 2 (if scanning the 3rd gen IN).

You're also correct that Redman didn't specify what element was rescanned in 2010, or at what resolution. Wouldn't they typically go back to the IN?

[Rory]

I can't believe you guys are still going on about this. The transfer is what it is, the Blu-ray is what it is. There's probably only a few hundred left. Get them while they last. It may not be perfect, but would really rather just have the 2004 DVD?

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Good catch Joseph. I missed a step there.

But my larger point still stands...anything more to be done with Journey to the Center of the Earth will always be at least 1 generation away from the OCN (if scanning the 2nd gen YCMs), and likely 2 (if scanning the 3rd gen IN).

You're also correct that Redman didn't specify what element was rescanned in 2010, or at what resolution. Wouldn't they typically go back to the IN?

thanks for all this great information. I'm still a bit perplexed as the blu-ray has what looks like 16mm resolution... far less than what I would have expected from even a 2nd or 3rd generation 35mm source. Had they used the inter-negative for a high-fidelity digital scan, I'd still have expected a bit more clarity from the image... wouldn't you?

Don't get me wrong: I'm happy to have this blu-ray. But I'm still a bit confused why even without original camera negatives or original interpostives/prints, why the resolution is so severely lacking... it really does look like 16mm resolution to my eyes.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by Rory

I can't believe you guys are still going on about this. The transfer is what it is, the Blu-ray is what it is. There's probably only a few hundred left. Get them while they last. It may not be perfect, but would really rather just have the 2004 DVD?

I have the blu-ray. Hence my first-hand experience with the image quality. And yes, of course I prefer this current blu-ray to the 2004 DVD. But "just better than DVD" is not the goal of BD.

[#Darren]

he he if she wanted it and could not find it she would ask me too look. I have bought her a couple of BD's from Amazon.com

And she does impulse buy as well, as do many (probably a solid percentage of studio sales), so for an impulse buyer she would not get it unless it was on a shelf.

and yes she has a BD player

Originally Posted by hootowls

I think the relevant question is whether she would visit the local B&M in search of JTTCOTE to pay top dollar because she has an independent thought to own a copy. And not find it. Then remember to go and do a hard target internet search. And find it at SAE. And then setup an account and place an order for that and maybe a little something else that catches her fancy. Bonus points if she actually has a blu-ray player.

[Rory]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

I have the blu-ray. Hence my first-hand experience with the image quality. And yes, of course I prefer this current blu-ray to the 2004 DVD. But "just better than DVD" is not the goal of BD.

What your idea of "the goal of BD" is I'm pretty sure isn't what the home video companies have in mind. Sure, they'd all love to present the best possible picture and sound quality, but often that just isn't possible. The goal for most is just to sell something and make a profit. For we collectors it more often than not means buying something we not only already own, in a lesser format, of course, but have often bought multiple times over the years. I know how frustrating it is that JOURNEY isn't the finest possible transfer, but to b**ch and b**ch about it, on that title and other things, after a certain point one has to wonder, "Maybe I need another hobby?"

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Rory

What your idea of "the goal of BD" is I'm pretty sure isn't what the home video companies have in mind. Sure, they'd all love to present the best possible picture and sound quality, but often that just isn't possible. The goal for most is just to sell something and make a profit. For we collectors it more often than not means buying something we not only already own, in a lesser format, of course, but have often bought multiple times over the years. I know how frustrating it is that JOURNEY isn't the finest possible transfer, but to b**ch and b**ch about it, on that title and other things, after a certain point one has to wonder, "Maybe I need another hobby?"

Well, they should. And if the Blu-rays they release are less than optimal, we really should refrain from buying them. Complaining about it while still buying the BD obviously won't help, so the only solution is letting them know their products aren't as good as they could be.

[tama]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

My kind of movies. Beautifully mastered, authored, and packaged. No other label - not even Criterion, Kino, or the other catalogue upstarts - has consistently rung this many bells over the past year.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion however I highly disagree. TT has not come anywhere close to releasing several titles as done by Criterion, MoC, Arrow, etc. While I'm glad a deal was struck to have these title released they have been more miss then hit. So far with the exception of The Egyptian, The Big Heat, and Rapture most of there titles are passable. Some titles using outdated or poor masters. And only offering isolated scores while companies like criterion have no limited packages, offer booklets and tons of additional extra features with most films being director supervised or approved being sold under the 30.00 mark and have free shipping through places like Amazon.com TT is far from anything worth while mentioning.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by tama

Everyone is entitled to there opinion however I highly disagree. TT has not come anywhere close to releasing several titles as done by Criterion, MoC, Arrow, etc. While I'm glad a deal was struck to have these title released they have been more miss then hit. So far with the exception of The Egyptian, The Big Heat, and Rapture most of there titles are passable. Some titles using outdated or poor masters. And only offering isolated scores while companies like criterion have no limited packages, offer booklets and tons of additional extra features with most films being director supervised or approved being sold under the 30.00 mark and have free shipping through places like Amazon.com TT is far from anything worth while mentioning.

What you said. I cannot believe he said that.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by tama

Everyone is entitled to there opinion however I highly disagree. TT has not come anywhere close to releasing several titles as done by Criterion, MoC, Arrow, etc. While I'm glad a deal was struck to have these title released they have been more miss then hit.

For me, Criterion are the ones that have been more miss than hit with what they've released. On the other hand, TT have hit home runs with JTTCOTE, The Big Heat and TMMITFM...and other titles that have at least some interest to me. I don't think I've even bought 3 Criterion titles this year, which is a pretty poor strike rate given the number they've released.

It all depends on the type of movies you like. If Criterion's releases don't grab you, it's irrelevant how many extras they have or how (relatively) cheap they are.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

That simply isn't true.

People are deluding themselves if they think that Twilight Time sales through the Screen Archives website are indicative of ANYTHING.

Every time a new TT release is announced we get people asking, "Where can I find this" and, "I'll wait for the sale price" or, "Will this be at Best Buy?"

The notion that Ma and Pa search the internet for obscure new Blu-ray releases is ludicrous at best. Those of us frequenting these boards are likely 0.3% of the Blu-ray buying public. We've got to stop pretending otherwise. Do you honestly believe that Ma and Pa might, "already be familiar with SAE as a trusted source for vintage soundttracks...". Honestly? Do people here seriously believe thats even a remotely realistic idea? Honestly? Can people say that with a straight face?

These things are pie-in-the-sky ridiculous.

This is the problem with a closed community of geeks (of which I am a full-fledged member). We can delude ourselves into believing that we are representative of the larger Ma and Pa population. Yes...Amazon, Best Buy and Screen Archives...all equally familiar to the average Blu-ray buying public.

Oh yeah I mean just look at how many people are buying these titles on ebay from 60-100 bucks. And I mean the ones that are still available. They obviously have no idea what screen archives is.

[hootowls]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Oh yeah I mean just look at how many people are buying these titles on ebay from 60-100 bucks. And I mean the ones that are still available. They obviously have no idea what screen archives is.

Someone's trying to hawk a copy of JTTCOTE for $100 right now by claiming that it's OOP.

[Arkadin]

technically it is OOP because a certain number were pressed and there will not be any more. Now there is still plenty of stock available for a much lower price than what that person on ebay is trying to get, but all of the TT titles are OOP the day they come out.

[Yankees0222]

Wow.... It looks like Journey just jumped down to ~230 copies remaining. Must be a lot of people coupling it with Those Magnificent Men.

[rafaelsalguero]

guys this comes with subtitles option???

[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by rafaelsalguero

guys this comes with subtitles option???

If i recall correctly, Journey does NOT have subtitles.