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Old 02-06-2014, 03:52 PM   #1
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USA 3-D Rarities Collection (2015) Blu-ray 3D [Region Free]



3-D Rarities Blu-ray

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13155

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/ - "...shorts, tests, trailers and cartoons dating back to the dawn of stereoscopic cinematography."
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:26 PM   #2
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Thanks for the heads up, looks interesting.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:47 AM   #3
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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13155

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/ - "...shorts, tests, trailers and cartoons dating back to the dawn of stereoscopic cinematography."
Wow- the 3D Film archive is knocking it out of the park this year! We have DRAGONFLY SQUADRON coming from Olive, The BUBBLE going to Kino, and now Flicker Alley taking on the 3D RARITIES Collection.

Flicker Alley is a perfect home for this. They release some truly amazing stuff - Their four Cinerama Blu-Rays are among my most prized discs. I can't wait to see a list of what films will be included!
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Old 08-30-2014, 04:34 AM   #4
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Wow- the 3D Film archive is knocking it out of the park this year! We have DRAGONFLY SQUADRON coming from Olive, The BUBBLE going to Kino, and now Flicker Alley taking on the 3D RARITIES Collection.

Flicker Alley is a perfect home for this. They release some truly amazing stuff - Their four Cinerama Blu-Rays are among my most prized discs. I can't wait to see a list of what films will be included!
Any news on this release? Sounds pretty amazing.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:05 AM   #5
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We're still working on Rarities and are looking at a spring 2015 release.

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Jerry Beck has an article on The Adventures of Sam Space, which will be on this disc.

cartoonresearch the-adventures-of-sam-space-1953

I did a quick flick through the anaglyph version, looks to have pretty good dimension to it, though I'll save it for a full viewing when I get the restored version on the disc.

Looking forward to this and Boo Moon. Can't wait. Vintage stereo animation is of particular interest. Wish WB and Disney would release their 50s 3d short subjects too.
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Old 11-28-2014, 06:01 PM   #7
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The quality of the 3-D on SAM SPACE is excellent. That terrible circa 1980's anaglyphic conversion is a far cry from how it looks in true 3-D.

Meanwhile, 62 years ago...



The restored prologue with Beany and Cecil will be on 3-D RARITIES, preserved from the original 35mm left/right negatives. That's the short they're watching in the iconic Life magazine images.
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Old 11-28-2014, 06:38 PM   #8
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That sounds amazing! I never knew there were 3D cartoons, but one quick look at Sam Space tells me this is a must buy for me. Flicker Alley rules. Love the Cinerama releases also. Keep it up!
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Any idea when we can preorder
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Old 11-28-2014, 08:35 PM   #10
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I'm guessing April or May. The release date is June 2015.
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The quality of the 3-D on SAM SPACE is excellent. That terrible circa 1980's anaglyphic conversion is a far cry from how it looks in true 3-D.
undoubtedly, although I can tell they made real use of depth.

The Beany and Cecil intro would also make a good extra for a Bwana Devil 3d disc if that ever happens.

I haven't heard anything about it, so I take it Popeye's The Ace of Space will not be on the Rarities collection. Being the other 3d cartoon made by Famous Studios other than the Casper one, it'd be great to have it, although I understand it can be complex to negotiate the rights to these things as well as getting access to surviving prints.

I was just reading about them earlier in the week. Seymour Kneitel blog golden-age-of-3d

I'm curious about how they achieved the effect... did they use a multiplane, photographing on different layers of glass, or did they do something different like shifting the cels horizontally to photograph the second eye. It must've required careful planning. Too bad they never did sterescopic film back when they were using miniature set backgrounds on turntables.
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How did they do 'The Adventures of Sam Space' in 3D? I thought you could only do stop motion in 3D with the modern electric rail sliders??

I would like to know this as I'm making a stop motion short but decided no 3D as I couldn't afford the electric slider. I'm guessing they made some kind of little rail slider rig and drilled holes in the slider, locked in the stereo base in said holes with a pin, then dodged the camera back and forth for each shot? I'm going to have to try that
Interesting question, considering the massive size of 3d rigs in the 50s. I'm reminded of the oversized props Hitchcock had built to stand in for close-ups because the camera couldn't photograph that small in 3d.

scanning through the film, I didn't notice any tight close-ups, like those seen in some of the modern Laika films to showcase things like subtle facial animation. The article on Cartoon Research appears to suggest that a specialised camera was developed for these films. Although maybe they just used oversized puppets.

3d stop motion is much more viable nowadays. The cameras aren't as big as small cars, so it isn't as much of a challenge to get the lenses close enough to minimize eye-strain. You can even do rudimentary 3d stop-motion on a Nintendo 3ds, although the cameras certainly aren't up to much.
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This is the 3-D rig that Ray Harryhausen used to shoot some test footage in 1953. This is the same configuration as the Warner Bros. All-Media camera and the Technicolor three-strip Dynoptic 3-D system.

I suspect this is a very similar design to what was used on SAM SPACE. In fact, it might be the same rig!



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One is shooting off a mirror.
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I have Sam Space in the old Field Sequential 3D method. Very impressive 3D. Will look even better on Blu-ray 3D with no flickering.
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Making an over sized movie isn't economical for me. Shooting with two cameras side by side or a 3D camera with fixed interocular doesn't yield good results so I wouldn't bother with that. When you shoot with a fixed interocular you are basically working for the limits of 3D rather than making 3D work for you.

I watched a 3D lego stop motion tutorial on you tube last night and that guy did the manual dodge method. Going to try that. I doubt it will work well but I will try, I think I will need an electric slider.
That sounds like an absolute nightmare, but good luck if you decide to go ahead with it.

If you want to take pictures of miniature models using a 3d camera, one thing you can do is mount it several feet away and then zoom right in. I tried this with my W3. If you take the pictures at normal distance, the overlap is far too wide, and you get almost nothing but eyestrain. By going back about 5 feet and zooming in, the 3d effect is subdued and much more easy on the eyes. Of course that limits the sort of camera angles you can use, but it might work for some shots.

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This is the 3-D rig that Ray Harryhausen used to shoot some test footage in 1953. This is the same configuration as the Warner Bros. All-Media camera and the Technicolor three-strip Dynoptic 3-D system.

I suspect this is a very similar design to what was used on SAM SPACE. In fact, it might be the same rig!



I wasn't aware Harryhausen had dabbled in 3d, although I have that book, I must've skipped over that bit. I tend to be more interested in his later films. I do have the viewmaster reels they did of his dinosaur sequence from Animal World, but I never realised Harryhausen had actually experimented with animating in 3d.

Reading that chapter it sounds like he wasn't terribly enthusiastic about the technology. Understandable, considering what a nightmare it would probably be to get miniature rear projection to work in 3d. I'm inclined to suspect he did the test mostly to talk his producer out of it. It shouldn't take a test to show that photo-blow-up backgrounds aren't going to work in 3d.

I wonder has this footage ever turned up? It'd certainly be an interesting curio to show at a 3d festival or as a blu-ray extra.
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Any update on release date/time frame?
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We're still on the schedule for June.
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An advance look at 3-D RARITIES: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...flicker-alley/
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