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Old 03-12-2013, 07:18 AM   #1
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I love how the idea of digital storage always creeps up every once in a while.

My laserdiscs movies from the 1990s have no trouble playing today. I have only had one title not work correctly and it was the movie Gattaca, my DVDs have always kept working, the only issue I ever had was with Driving Miss Daisy which seamed to have stopped working.

I have no doubt that blu ray discs will work 20 years from now.

95 out of 100 discs will not be usable in 12 years, I think not.
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I love how the idea of digital storage always creeps up every once in a while.

My laserdiscs movies from the 1990s have no trouble playing today. I have only had one title not work correctly and it was the movie Gattaca, my DVDs have always kept working, the only issue I ever had was with Driving Miss Daisy which seamed to have stopped working.

I have no doubt that blu ray discs will work 20 years from now.

95 out of 100 discs will not be usable in 12 years, I think not.
they're talking about storage devices, not professionally pressed discs. Burned discs use a completely different setup and for archival purposes are very dicey. This is meant to replace THAT usage. Unless there's a major f-up in the pressing process pressed discs will last forever
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I love how the idea of digital storage always creeps up every once in a while.

My laserdiscs movies from the 1990s have no trouble playing today. I have only had one title not work correctly and it was the movie Gattaca, my DVDs have always kept working, the only issue I ever had was with Driving Miss Daisy which seamed to have stopped working.

I have no doubt that blu ray discs will work 20 years from now.

95 out of 100 discs will not be usable in 12 years, I think not.
Disc's that are stamped will last a very long time
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they're talking about storage devices, not professionally pressed discs. Burned discs use a completely different setup and for archival purposes are very dicey. This is meant to replace THAT usage. Unless there's a major f-up in the pressing process pressed discs will last forever
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Oh I see.
I have a very high-end standalone CD-R drive that I use to copy albums, radio airchecks, etc. I replaced the CD-R drive component some years ago after I began to get failures. But I've noticed that even though I spot-checked every CD-R when it was made, a very large percentage of them won't play properly anymore.

Sometimes I can fix them by playing them back on another machine, taking the analog output and remastering them again onto CD-R. But CD-R (and I would guess DVD-R and BD-R) are not really archival formats.

I have almost no problems with commercially pressed discs. I have about 1000 CDs and I think over the years only 3-4 have had problems, but two of those were defective when I received them.
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I have a very high-end standalone CD-R drive that I use to copy albums, radio airchecks, etc. I replaced the CD-R drive component some years ago after I began to get failures. But I've noticed that even though I spot-checked every CD-R when it was made, a very large percentage of them won't play properly anymore.
As a last resort those CD-R's could be played back on very super high end CD player like this
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The little used "DVD RAM" format was claimed to be an archival format with much longer data life than DVD +/- R or RW discs. Panasonic was the major supplier for DVD-RAM drives and standalone DVR recorders that supported this format.
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The little used "DVD RAM" format was claimed to be an archival format with much longer data life than DVD +/- R or RW discs. Panasonic was the major supplier for DVD-RAM drives and standalone DVR recorders that supported this format.
DVD-RAM is a rewritable media, although it is better than DVD+/-R, DVD-RAM is a Phase transition technology so it would be susceptible to temperature.
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I will definitely be looking in to these. Thanks for the post My inlaws and some other extended family has had old Super-8 film movies sent that they recently sent off through a telecine and burned to DVD-R, but I have been nervous as I know that drive burned DVD-R won't last half as long as the original old celluloid. So I may re-burn them on to a format like this.
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I love how the idea of digital storage always creeps up every once in a while.

My laserdiscs movies from the 1990s have no trouble playing today. I have only had one title not work correctly and it was the movie Gattaca, my DVDs have always kept working, the only issue I ever had was with Driving Miss Daisy which seamed to have stopped working.

I have no doubt that blu ray discs will work 20 years from now.

95 out of 100 discs will not be usable in 12 years, I think not.
IT is actually true, If you ever look at one of your DVDs (pressed retail) from years ago, and blow your breath on them, you will see no imperfections.

IF you do that to those made in last 3 years (AND ALL BLU-RAYS made) you will see all kind of splotches and marks this is because they have introduced substances that will degrade and render discs unplayable sooner than a non-substance induced discs would.

Think of those old rent and watch dvd's they came up with that lasted 1 time and then were throw away after that, although these new regular dvd's and blurays will last longer, but its the same concept.

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To be ARCHIVAL, we NEED DUAL or QUAD LAYER BLU-RAY discs
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IT is actually true, If you ever look at one of your DVDs (pressed retail) from years ago, and blow your breath on them, you will see no imperfections.

IF you do that to those made in last 3 years (AND ALL BLU-RAYS made) you will see all kind of splotches and marks this is because they have introduced substances that will degrade and render discs unplayable sooner than a non-substance induced discs would.

Think of those old rent and watch dvd's they came up with that lasted 1 time and then were throw away after that, although these new regular dvd's and blurays will last longer, but its the same concept.
So are you saying newer blu rays and DVDs that are pressed for retail are not made the same as older DVDs or blurays from the past?
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Looks like these are finally coming available in August.

http://www.mdisc.com/millenniata-cel...-optical-disc/
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:29 AM   #16
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Maybe finally, finally the 25GB Blu ray M-Disc's will be released?

from there facebook page

"The 25GB Blu-ray M-Disc is ready! You can pre-order now at http://www.mdisc.com/. We are happy to announce that the Blu-ray Disc Association has approved our design as a standard Blu-ray with no restrictions on compatibility issues with current standards. Thank you to everyone in the market that have supported us in accomplishing this. We are in full production now and will be able to ship orders before the end of March. All pre-orders from our website will be first in line as the discs arrive in the USA. Thank you."

That above was from March 3rd so who knows, well at least there pre order page states that they will ship before March 31 http://www.mdisc.com/catalog/
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I love how the idea of digital storage always creeps up every once in a while.

My laserdiscs movies from the 1990s have no trouble playing today. I have only had one title not work correctly and it was the movie Gattaca, my DVDs have always kept working, the only issue I ever had was with Driving Miss Daisy which seamed to have stopped working.

I have no doubt that blu ray discs will work 20 years from now.

95 out of 100 discs will not be usable in 12 years, I think not.
To be fair, laserdiscs are an analog format so it can read past a lot of scratches and such.

Hard drives are another matter, as the magnetic charge does not last forever and the drives can stick mechanically after a while. That is why even digitally sourced movies are printed back onto film for long term storage. 40 years from now, the only way to watch The Hobbit may be off the 35mm separation masters.

If you had a disc that was completely metallic, it should last forever provided it is not severely scratched. The commercially pressed discs should last quite a long time as they have a metallic layer on them. The glass masters used in the pressing process will last forever if they are taken care of. As mentioned by others here, it is the consumer burned CDs that are the real problem.
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This is a very long article but explains the problems with long term storage of digital data- format obsolescence and data corruption.

http://www.oscars.org/science-techno...igitaldilemma/
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