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Old 03-26-2013, 06:40 PM   #21
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this is because they do not want people using phyiscal media by then, hence they use shodd discs and processes to guarntee the discs will fail way sooner than they should
Fail due to what? Number of plays? Shelf life?

I can't imagine watching my discs as many times as a Netflix rental.
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Fail due to what? Number of plays? Shelf life?

I can't imagine watching my discs as many times as a Netflix rental.
Manufacture quality + materials contacined in the discs -something similar to the sony dvd fiasco with discs clouding up
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No, You are not reading too much into this

the discs they make now are not designed to last more than 10-15 years at most, this is because they do not want people using phyiscal media by then, hence they use shoddy discs and processes to guarntee the discs will fail way sooner than they should.

Sme thing with TV's, even the highest end sets are made like junk and not made to be useablemore than 5-10 years, Years ago we used to be eco-friendly and made awesome tv's like CURTIS MATHES.
lol, sorry but you've been spouting this stuff in several threads now. mind giving us some proof besides the tinfoil hat brigade?
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:56 PM   #24
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Fail due to what? Number of plays? Shelf life?

I can't imagine watching my discs as many times as a Netflix rental.
I would think storage conditions play the biggest part, or maybe just luck.
My Howling dvd never rotted, and my Devil's Advocate (with unaltered statue) which is known to be cheap, problematic and most copies are now unplayable, still works fine cuz I take care of my shit.

I heard dvds would only last 10 years too, but have stuff way older than that which still works good as new, better even, cuz now they're upconverted.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:58 PM   #25
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I would think storage conditions play the biggest part, or maybe just luck.
My Howling dvd never rotted, and my Devil's Advocate (with unaltered statue) which is known to be cheap, problematic and most copies are now unplayable, still works fine cuz I take care of my shit.

I heard dvds would only last 10 years too, but have stuff way older than that which still works good as new, better even, cuz now they're upconverted.
I've got lots and lots of VHS tapes from the early 80's-2000's and very few of them don't work.
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I've got lots and lots of VHS tapes from the early 80's-2000's and very few of them don't work.
Same here. I still have a couple VHS tapes from the 80s and they still work fine. I imagine optical discs have a lifespan of at least 20-30 years and probably more like 50.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:10 PM   #27
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Same here. I still have a couple VHS tapes from the 80s and they still work fine. I imagine optical discs have a lifespan of at least 20-30 years and probably more like 50.
True. There's always exceptions when it comes to physical media (laserdisc laser rot), but I've found that there have been very few video games or movies over the years that I ever got rid of because they didn't work, and this is coming from someone who still owns a great many VHS tapes, old video games (both carts and discs), DVDs, and Blu Rays. Almost anything I had a problem with it not working was from the get go, not years later.
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I was at Best Buy today when this guy and his daughter walk up and wanted to exchange their Hobbit 3D Blu-ray because it makes their player vibrate. I was wondering if this was defective disc or if these people are just being oversensitive. Needless to say the cashier was clueless, so I stepped in to talk to them.
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I was at Best Buy today when this guy and his daughter walk up and wanted to exchange their Hobbit 3D Blu-ray because it makes their player vibrate. I was wondering if this was defective disc or if these people are just being oversensitive. Needless to say the cashier was clueless, so I stepped in to talk to them.
most likely the disc was warped and it was rattling on the spindle.
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I was at Best Buy today when this guy and his daughter walk up and wanted to exchange their Hobbit 3D Blu-ray because it makes their player vibrate. I was wondering if this was defective disc or if these people are just being oversensitive. Needless to say the cashier was clueless, so I stepped in to talk to them.
What happened next?!!
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #31
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What happened next?!!
vibrate.....this reminds me of that scene from Fight Club when Ed Norton lost his bag and talks to the airport security.
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What happened next?!!
I'll tell you!!!!! Turns out they collect 3D Blu-rays! We exchanged some talk about Blu-rays, but they exchanged the disc, obviously. They said the 3D Blu-ray and the regular Blu-ray was having the same issue and the DVD was fine.
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lol, sorry but you've been spouting this stuff in several threads now. mind giving us some proof besides the tinfoil hat brigade?
Perhaps if you spoke to people (as I have done) to people who make these discs (about the composition and changes that have occured in the last 5 years) then perhaps you could speak.

The tinfoil hat comment is tossed out by people who want things to be ignored, some examples.................

I knew 40 years ago people who were working on cell phones for personal use (r&d) told some friends these things buy 2000 or so will be small as your hand and will have a tracking device in them, they used the tinfoil comment too... well needless to say when they became as small as hands and had GPS in them, they were apolegtic to their ignorant use of the comment.
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Perhaps if you spoke to people (as I have done) to people who make these discs (about the composition and changes that have occured in the last 5 years) then perhaps you could speak.

The tinfoil hat comment is tossed out by people who want things to be ignored, some examples.................

I knew 40 years ago people who were working on cell phones for personal use (r&d) told some friends these things buy 2000 or so will be small as your hand and will have a tracking device in them, they used the tinfoil comment too... well needless to say when they became as small as hands and had GPS in them, they were apolegtic to their ignorant use of the comment.
well then, until you give proof on here all you're doing is spouting speculation. I can do the same thing and without proof to back myself up then I have zero credibility. simple as that. Anyone can be or say ANYTHING or ANYONE on the internet

you're a brand new member and over 50% of your posts are calling people in the industry idiots...nimrods....morons... the list goes on.

either that or you've got an impressive history since you seem to know Cell phone R&D specialists, Industry executives, people who work in the pressing and mfgering of movies at the very LEAST....

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well then, until you give proof on here all you're doing is spouting speculation. I can do the same thing and without proof to back myself up then I have zero credibility. simple as that. Anyone can be or say ANYTHING or ANYONE on the internet

you're a brand new member and over 50% of your posts are calling people in the industry idiots...nimrods....morons... the list goes on.

either that or you've got an impressive history since you seem to know Cell phone R&D specialists, Industry executives, people who work in the pressing and mfgering of movies at the very LEAST....
+1. I'm relatively certain North Korea will invade South Korea tomorrow and they are morons for doing so.

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+1. I'm relatively certain North Korea will invade South Korea tomorrow and they are morons for doing so..
Gerard Butler foiled that plot already
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Perhaps if you spoke to people (as I have done) to people who make these discs (about the composition and changes that have occurred in the last 5 years) then perhaps you could speak.
Kind of doubt this. While it wouldn't be hard to make discs that have a shelf life (using biodegradable materials, etc.), this wouldn't have any correlation to the initial quality of the pressing.

I think that these kinds of pressing defects are just the result of mass-production and the less-rigorous quality standards that come with it. I've had DVDs with similar pressing defects--unless it's on the playing surface of the disc, it usually doesn't present a problem.
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Both sides of this discussion have merit.

While I don't believe studios and manufacturers willfully make cheaper discs so they won't last as long, they certainly could be using lower quality materials or processes to maintain profit margins. I can tell the difference between a few DVDs in my collection, especially recent (very thin) vs. old (thicker discs). And for Christmas, I got Moms a Downton Abbey Season 3 DVD and all three discs had factory scuffs, one had scratches that affected play (of the final episode!) and two of three discs vibrated at the menu. I got her a replacement, which also had scuffs on every disc. They at least played through.

When I went to recording engineering school in the 80's, a (vinyl LP record) pressing engineer spoke to us one day. He told about manufacturing Michael Jackson's Thriller album, which was the most popular LP of all time - like, over 25 million copies. He said that they were selling so fast that the plants couldn't keep up, so they kept using the metal stamper discs (that squeeze a warm blob of vinyl into a record) so far beyond their recommended lifespan that they were cracking. Metal stampers, cracking. So they were knowingly pressing 10's and 10's of thousands of faulty albums to get them into the record shops as fast as they possibly could, because the store and record company would get the sale, maybe the record would play fine, and if not, the customer would just get a replacement.

As for Blu-rays in 2013, maybe some factories don't quite have the quality control. I was so happy that they designed discs with scuff-resistant coating; I see a small scuff or maybe a disc got loose and it seems to wipe right away with a soft cloth.

Haven't had a problem with a Blu yet...

Edit: Strike that. With Blus it's waves/"veins" in the damn clear plastic, which I HATE as a collector. I looked through probably 60+ Titanics at three different stores to find the best copy, but it still has mild waves on the back. I bought 3 That 70's Show online, all have waves, now looking for a crisp copy in a store. And this happens in manufacturing, because they store or pack them when the case is warm and it shrinks up and gets veiny. Drives me crazy.
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You want shoddy manufacturing? Just got Ghosts of the Abyss 3D today, but didn't realize I got the "Special Edition" which includes chocolate...

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...seriously, this was inside a shrinkwrapped case purchased at a Best Buy. It wiped off easily with a damp cloth, but I still need to check the disc.
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You want shoddy manufacturing? Just got Ghosts of the Abyss 3D today, but didn't realize I got the "Special Edition" which includes chocolate...

[Show spoiler].....


...seriously, this was inside a shrinkwrapped case purchased at a Best Buy. It wiped off easily with a damp cloth, but I still need to check the disc.


LMAO, man. L-M-A-OFF.
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