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Old 03-26-2013, 05:46 PM   #1
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Hi all,

I finally took the plunge and got a 3D TV. I noticed on non 3D movies like Ted, there is a "3D" button on the remote that allows the TV to simulate 3D. It doesn't seem like 3D even with the 3D glasses.

How does this work?
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #2
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The TV is just faking 3D! In no way will it be as good as native 3D.
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:22 AM   #3
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It's definitely not great, but works ok for some stuff.
The best things I saw with the 3D conversion were features like the old Shrek 3-D dvd or Bob's Big Break (watch them on the 2D option on the dvd so you aren't looking at anaglyph coloring, but then hit the 3D conversion button on the remote). I expect it handled it better because it was obvious what was supposed to pop so it registered it a little bit more.
Now running in 3D with the LG Cinema 3D (nominally showing 3D in 1080i per eye) 47LW6500 (up-or-down-or-side-graded from a 50" Sammy 3D Plasma) and a Benq W1080ST and a 130" screen.
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:40 AM   #4
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So its basically fake 3d?

So if I were to buy a 2d movie and watch it with 3d simulated vs an actual 3d movie (same movie), I could actually tell the difference?
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:28 PM   #5
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Yes definitely.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:21 AM   #6
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How does this work?
As far as I can see, these algorithms totally INVENT the 3rd dimension, just to entertain the viewer with "funny amazing objects coming out of the screen".
Indeed, I don't see how you can obtain 3d data from a 2d video, unless it was shot with a dolly horizontally moving!
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:08 PM   #7
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Whatever you do, DON'T try to watch football!!! It makes them look like they are playing on rolling hills...yuck!

2D to 3D is VERY disappointing. Oh well, native 3D kicks booty!
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:09 PM   #8
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Whatever you do, DON'T try to watch football!!! It makes them look like they are playing on rolling hills...yuck!

2D to 3D is VERY disappointing. Oh well, native 3D kicks booty!
Interesting! :-) Where can I see a sample clip?
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:41 PM   #9
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I love 3D so much.

Not enough to watch real time simulated 3D though.

Even movies converted to 3D in post production are better than the cheap simulated 3D systems.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:22 PM   #10
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You guys are gonna laugh but I watched wreck it ralph (3D disc) then I sampled the regular blu ray with "fake 3d" turned out. I couldn't really tell the difference.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:11 PM   #11
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I've watched several tv shows in simulated 3D on my HX750 and sometimes it looks good and sometimes it dont look good. Its an ok feature but dont come close to real 3D.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:31 PM   #12
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I've watched several tv shows in simulated 3D on my HX750 and sometimes it looks good and sometimes it dont look good. Its an ok feature but dont come close to real 3D.
+1...Some movies with certain scenes, say like the Virtual Internet sequence in "Johnny Mnemonic", the first ride thru the Stargate in "STARGATE", the opening sequence from the Earth to the edge of the Universe from "CONTACT", "2001 A Space Odyssey" stargate sequence and other fast-moving scenes on Blu-Ray look pretty cool when I switch on the 2D to 3D...but it's only cool for quick scenes like that, not watching the WHOLE movie.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:47 PM   #13
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You guys are gonna laugh but I watched wreck it ralph (3D disc) then I sampled the regular blu ray with "fake 3d" turned out. I couldn't really tell the difference.
The fake 3D conversion setting works best with animated movies, especially ones that use 3D-shaded animation, like with Toy-Story-type characters and objects - and thus Wreck it Ralph - since the shading for 3D is already present, I think the 3D conversion routines can better calculate the proper 3D positioning... I tried using the 3D conversion on the Legend of the Guardians 2D movie, and the results were actually pretty good with the conversion. I've found that live TV stuff is the worst source to use 3D conversion on...

One thing some of you may find as an 'interesting' use of the 3D conversion is the Windows Media Player audio visualizations - those Kaleidoscope images that move to music - Go ahead and run that with 3D conversion sometime!! I have a paid program I run which is also a media player plugin, Soundspectrum G-Force... it is esssentially the same kind of visualization thing, but on steroids! Talk about a trip watching that in 3D conversion, sitting 8 feet away from a 120" projection screen, lol....

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:34 AM   #14
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I tried the Kung Fu Panda in the simulated 3D and it looked pretty good. Not sure why anyone would purchase the $33 Best Buy 3D version of Kung Fu Panda when the 2D with fake 3D looks just as good.
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I tried the Kung Fu Panda in the simulated 3D and it looked pretty good. Not sure why anyone would purchase the $33 Best Buy 3D version of Kung Fu Panda when the 2D with fake 3D looks just as good.
I only have the 3D version of KFP 2 but I'm sure I bought it for about $6.

There have been times when the original HFP was very cheap too... I just must have missed it so far.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:41 AM   #16
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So its basically fake 3d?

So if I were to buy a 2d movie and watch it with 3d simulated vs an actual 3d movie (same movie), I could actually tell the difference?
Most of the early anti-3d sentiment is because of watching this 3d button option on 2d. Anybody here still remember the "i get dizzy watching 3d" sentiment back in 2010 and 2011 ?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:02 AM   #17
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They have side by side and up and under modes. I don't know why people would watch that. I would just do simulated 3D.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:07 AM   #18
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They have side by side and up and under modes. I don't know why people would watch that. I would just do simulated 3D.
Side By Side and Over and Under are legitimate methods of delivering native 3D content. They are simply standards that pre-date Blu-ray 3D. For example - if you can find the old Jaws 3D sensio DVD, you can play it on many 3D TVs in real 3D using the side by side mode.

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