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Old 06-11-2016, 11:13 PM   #1
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Target 3D Strength: Mild, Medium, Strong, Extreme

In an effort to compare 3D in movies and on blu ray 3D on generally even terms without using 3D movie references, here are 3D examples I put together that might help identify the ranges of mild, medium, strong and the rare extreme 3D layers of objects/characters onscreen. For the full size, see the zip files included in this thread.

The trick also is to keep the ranges in mind when in the movie theater, but also when at home. Some projectors or 3D TVs can amplify the 3D image, so for the most accurate account of the 3D, best to set the 3D player at default to experience the 3D as it was originally intended.

All of it is up for debate of course, as this is a 3D forum.

Double Image Separation:
This is an example of looking at a screen without 3D glasses on. The level of separation suggests the strength of the 3D.

Anaglyph 3D:
If you have red/cyan glasses, you can see the Flat 2D, mild 3D, medium 3D, strong 3D and extreme 3D. Extreme 3D is pushing 3D too far for most eyes.

Stereo 3D TV:
If you enlarge this and use it as a screen saver, you can blend the two images and get the 3D effect on a 3DTV. Again, you can see the Flat 2D, mild 3D, medium 3D, strong 3D and extreme 3D. These are just the main ranges, not counting very mild, mild, low medium, medium, high medium, strong, very strong 3D. I'm interested to see if anyone can avoid ghosting with the strong 3D image since the contrast of black and white is hard for the 3D glasses to completely mask out.

3Drangetest1080pStereo3DTV_.jpg.zip
Full size 1080x1920 file size of stereo 3DTV 3D ranges.
3DrangetestanaglyphB_.jpg.zip
Full size 1080x1920 file size of stereo Red/Cyan Anaglyph 3D ranges.

Keeping in mind, most movies don't often have ALL mild 3D, or ALL strong 3D, but are allowed to vary some shots depending on the situation. Like distant scenery would be mild 3D to the human eyes in real life, so it works on the screen too in that case. Avatar is a good example, when we see the huge planet in space, it looks mild. When we're in the jungle, it's stronger 3D since we're at ground level and things are much closer for the human eyes.

Here are a few quick examples I'll list:
RANGE OF 3D LAYERS AND POP OUT IN 3D MOVIES:

Very mild 3D: Ratchet & Clank 3D. Though it's not planned for blu ray 3D, the first 15 minutes have mostly very mild 3D layers. You're wearing 3D glasses, but to hardly any effect, and you wonder what the point is.

Mild 3D: Man of Steel 3D. While there are some respectable 3D shots of medium and high medium 3D scattered throughout, much of the film lingers in the mild 3D range for the 3D layers. It looks like there is barely any separation in the layers. Just one of many examples.

Medium 3D: X-Men Apocalypse 3D: The 3D has some pop to it, and it works with a nice separation of the 3D layers. At times, it increases the effect during the action scenes, to high medium to close to strong 3D. Just one of many examples.

Strong 3D: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Out of the Shadows 3D, Pacific Rim 3D, The Bubble 3D, Flying Swords of Dragon Gate, parts of Avatar and thankfully many more, offer great 3D layers that pops compared to a 2D image. It's comfortable for 3D fans to watch.

Very Strong 3D: Turtle's Tales 1 and 2 by NWave are two great examples. Think of some Imax 3D examples too. A lot of their filmed 3D content offers strong 3D, though not always.

Extreme 3D: In one shot of Imax's Dinosaurs Giants of Patagonia 3D, an archeologist is walking towards the camera and the camera's 3D interaxial range couldn't handle it, so we ended up with a shot that the eyes could not blend, and it looks like a double image.
Another movie that had moments of this was a low budget 3D film called Blood of Ohma, about the bigfoot monster lurking in the neighborhood. A few shots in this mostly strong 3D film got too close to objects and didn't lessen the interaxial distance of the dual 3D camera rig, resulting in uncomfortable 3D double image that the human eyes can't easily blend, since our eyes aren't that far apart and dependent on the 3D glasses. Sitting farther back helps resolve the issue.

Mixed Range of 3D: Many 3D movies have a range of 3D, but what percentage of 3D strength takes of the majority of the 3D shots in the film? The Amazing Spider-Man 1 has a mix of mild, medium and some strong 3D. It's not a consistent experience, except for the fact that a good number of dialog shots tend to have mild 3D, but even that's not always consistent. But if the 3D is dialed down except for the action scenes, then it's safe to summarize the movie as a mix of 3D. Mild to strong 3D.

I wish 3D movies were more consistent, but sometimes the 3D range is all over the place, so it's a mixed 3D experience of good and bad depending.

I'm a big fan of strong 3D in movies, so when a movie offers strong 3D, I'll buy the blu ray 3D if I was entertained by the movie. I buy medium 3D movies but I will now avoid mild 3D movies unless I enjoyed the movie.

[Show spoiler]
A brief clip from Gnome in the Haunted Castle 3D:
Back in 2012, I managed to create from scratch, a very low budget computer animated 42 minute movie about a Gnome, in stereo 3D. Looking back now, I would have pushed the 3D a bit stronger in spots, but am generally satisfied with the 3D effect I was able to create using a self made virtual 3D camera rig in the computer animation program I used. It uses a parallel 3D camera rig, which then requires post editing converging of the 3D using a 3D film editor. The whole project took a good year to complete, held back by a slow rendering process even for basic animation and scenery as seen here. The goal was always strong 3D, but there are some medium 3D layered shots also. This example is mainly for constructive criticism purposes, to see what could be done better with the 3D, as well as what is acceptable.

[Show spoiler]

Here I took my art work and went for some strong 3D pop outs. Some of it was medium range in pop out, but most of it reaches out of the screen. The key here is not to post converge the effect, so the background is closer to the screen plane, for better foreground pop outs.

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Updated July 16, 2017
List of Films I’ve seen in theaters and own on blu ray 3D (newer titles pre-included, more titles to be listed from the past)

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3-D Rarities: mostly strong 3D with many pop outs. A historical look at stereo 3D.
3D Safari Africa: mix of strong 3D, medium and some mild 3D
3D Aquarium: mild to medium, some strong 3D
300 Rise of an Empire 3D: Medium, high medium, strong 3D.
47 Ronin 3D: medium, some mild, some strong 3D

A
Avatar 3D: mostly medium and strong 3D
Avengers 1 3D: mild, medium and strong 3D
Avengers Age of Ultron 3D: mostly medium 3D
Alice in Wonderland 3D: medium, some strong, some mild 3D
Alice Through the Looking Glass 3D: medium 3D, some strong, some mild
Amazing Spider-Man 1 3D: mild, medium, some strong 3D
Amazing Spider-Man 2 3D: mostly medium 3D with some stronger 3D
Ant-Man 3D: medium to strong 3D
America's Best Aquarium 3D: some strong 3d, medium and some mild
Abraham Vampire Hunter 3D: mix of mild, medium 3D
Assassins creed 3D: Medium to high medium 3D. Some strong 3D.

B
Born to be Wild 3D (Imax): mostly strong
Beowulf 3D: mild, medium and strong 3D, nice pop outs
Blood of Ohma Bigfoot 3D: mostly strong (indie film)
Bait 3D: medium, some mild and strong 3D
Bolt 3D: medium, some mild 3D
Beauty and the Beast 3D: medium, some strong
Big Friendly Giant 3D: Mostly medium 3D layers, a couple strong 3D shots.
Batman vs Superman 3D: medium to strong 3D
Bubble 3D: strong and very strong 3D

C
Croods 3D: medium to strong 3D
Creature from the Black Lagoon 3D: mostly strong
Captain America 1 3D: medium 3D most of the way.
Captain America Winter Soldier: medium, some mild 3D
Captain America Civil War 3D: Medium to strong 3D
Conan 3D: mild 3D, some medium
Clash of the Titans 3D: mostly mild, some medium, warping all over
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 1 3D: mild to medium
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 3D: mostly mild
Coraline 3D: mix of mild to medium 3D
Cars 2 3D: medium, some mild
Carnival of Souls 3D: medium, mild 3D conversion with warping errors (independent release)

D
Dragonnest 3D: mild, some medium 3D
Darkest Hour 3D: mostly mild to medium
Drive Angry 3D: mostly strong 3D
Dinosaurs Giants of Patagonia 3D: medium, some mild, some strong
Dredd 3D: mild, medium, strong 3D. It's all over the place
Dino King 3D: mostly mild 3D, some medium
Dolphin Tale 3D: medium
Doctor Strange 3D Medium and plenty of stronger 3D layers, not many pop outs.

E
Edge of Tomorrow 3D: medium and then mostly strong 3D
Everest 3D: medium 3D
Epic 3D: medium 3D
Exodus: Gods & Kings 3D: Mix of mild to medium 3D. Some stronger 3D pop outs.

F
Final Destination 3D: medium to strong
Flying Swords of Dragon Gate 3D: mostly strong 3D
Finding Dory 3D

G
Gog 3D: mostly strong
Green Hornet 3D: medium 3D, some mild
The Great Gatsby 3D: Mostly medium 3D, some strong 3D, some mild 3D. Nice pop outs.
Great Wall 3D: Medium to strong 3D, nice pop outs.
Godzilla 3D: medium 3D and some strong 3D (underrated)
GI Joe Retaliation 3D: medium to strong
Guardians of the Galaxy 3D: medium to strong 3D
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 3D Marvel Studios: Mostly strong 3D with strong 3D pop outs.
Gods of Egypt 3D: medium 3D, some mild, some strong
Good Dinosaur 3D: medium, high medium 3D
Green Lantern 3D: mostly mild 3d, some medium
Gnomeo and Juliet 3D: medium 3D mostly
Gnome in the Haunted Castle 3D: mostly strong 3D (indie film)
Gravity 3D: medium, some strong 3D
Ghostbusters 3D: Medium to strong 3D layers with lots of pop outs.
Ghost in the Shell 3D Paramount Pictures / DreamWorks Pictures Plenty of medium 3D and some stronger 3D. Some nice pop outs too.

H
Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters 3D: medium to strong 3D, great pop outs
Hugo 3D: medium to strong 3D
Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 3D: mild, medium 3D, some strong
Hobbit 1 3D: mild to medium and some strong 3D
Hobbit 2 3D: mild to medium, some strong
Hobbit 3 3D: mild to medium, some strong
How to Train your Dragon 3D: medium, some mild 3D.
Hubble 3D (imax): mix of strong, mild, medium 3d
History of the World 3D: mix of mild, medium 3D
Hotel Transylvania 3D: mostly mild
House of Wax 3D: medium to strong 3D layers
Hercules 3D: medium 3D mostly
How to Train your Dragon 2: mostly medium
Hoodwinked Too 3D: mostly mild

I
It Came From Outerspace 3D: Mostly strong 3D with some medium layering
Independence Day 2 3D: Mostly medium, some strong 3D. Some mild.
Immortals 3D: medium and some strong 3D
Insurgent 3D: mix of medium, mild 3D
I Robot 3D: mostly very mild 3D, some medium
Iron Man 3 3D: medium and strong 3D
I, Frankenstein 3D: mix of mild to medium 3D, some high medium


J
Jaws 3D: mostly strong 3D, some extreme 3D, rarely medium 3D.
John Carter 3D: medium to strong
Jurassic Park 3D: mostly strong
Jupiter Ascending 3D: medium to strong 3D
Jack and the Giant Slayer 3D: medium, some high medium, some mild
Jurassic World 3D: medium 3D, some strong
Journey 2 3D: medium 3D mostly
Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D: mostly strong 3D

K
Kong: Skull Island 3D: Mostly medium and some strong 3D. Few pop outs.
Kung Fu Panda 1 3D: medium to strong
Kung Fu Panda 2 3D: medium to strong
Kung Fu Panda 3 3D: medium to strong

L
Legend of the Guardians 3D: Mild to medium 3D, some strong 3D
Legend of Hercules 3D: mostly strong 3D, some medium
Lion King 3D: mix of mild, some medium

M
My Bloody Valentine 3D: mostly strong
Mad Max 3D: medium and some strong 3D
Metalstorm 3D: Very strong 3D and pop outs.
Martian 3D: Mild, medium and strong 3D mix.
Men in Black 3 3D: medium to strong 3D
Madagascar 3 3D: mostly strong 3D Man of Steel 3D: mostly mild 3D, some medium
March of the Wooden Soldiers Laurel Hardy 3D: mild, some medium 3D
Monster House 3D: mostly mild, some medium
Monsters vs Aliens 3D: medium mostly, some mild and strong
Moana 3D: Mostly medium layers, some low medium, some mild 3D.
The Mummy 3D Universal Pictures Mostly low medium to medium 3D.

N
Need for Speed 3D: Medium mostly
Nightmare Before XMas 3D: mild

O
Open Season 3D: strong 3D
Oz Great and Powerful 3D: mix of mild to medium, some strong

P
Prometheus 3D: Mostly a mix of mild, medium 3D.
Pacific Rim 3D: mostly strong 3D
Priest 3D: medium 3D and some strong 3D
Peanuts 3D: mostly medium 3D, some mild, some high medium
Polar Express 3D: medium to strong
Piranha 3D: mild, medium mostly
Piranha 3DD: medium and some strong 3d
Predator 3D: mostly mild
Pompeii 3D: mix of mild, some medium, some strong 3D
Pixels 3D: medium to strong 3D
Paranorman 3D: mostly mild 3D
Pirates of the Caribbean Stranger Tides 3D: mix of mild to medium
Poltergeist 3D: Mostly high medium to strong 3D layers.
Puss n' Boots 3D: medium mostly

R
Ratchet and Clank 3D: mild to low medium 3D, some strong
RIPD 3D: medium, some strong
Rise of the Guardians 3D: (Dreamworks) medium and some strong 3D
Resident Evil Retribution 3D: mild, medium and some strong 3D
Resident Evil Afterlife 3D: mild, strong and mostly medium 3D
Resident Evil: The Final Chapter 3D Screen Gems: Mostly mild 3D layers. Some medium 3D.

S
September Storm 3D (3-D Film Archives): Strong 3D most of the way.
Star Wars: Rogue One 3D: Mostly low medium, medium layers with some strong 3D.
Star Wars VII: Force Awakens 3D: medium to strong 3D
Star Trek Into Darkness 3D: medium and strong 3D
Star Trek Beyond 3D: Mostly Mild with some medium 3D layers.
Stalingrad 3D: mostly mild
Spy Kids 3D Game Over/Sharkboy vs Lavagirl 3D: mostly strong
Silent Hill Revelations 3D: medium with some strong 3D and pop outs
Seventh Son 3D: medium 3D, some strong 3D, some mild
San Andreas 3D: mostly medium, some mild
Spider-Man: Homecoming 3D Marvel Studios / Columbia Pictures Mostly medium 3D and some strong 3D during action.
Spiders 3D: mix of mild to medium
Smurfs: The Lost Village 3D: Consistently medium 3D layers. Some pop out.
Smurfs 3D: mostly mild, some medium, few strong pop outs
Static 3D: mild, medium and some strong 3D
Sin City Dame to Kill For: medium to strong
Space Station 3D: mix of strong 3D, some mild
Suicide Squad 3D: Mostly medium 3D layers and a few strong shots and pop outs.

T
Turtle's Tale 2 3D (NWave): mostly strong
Thunder and the House of Magic 3D (NWave): mostly strong
Thor 2: Dark World 3D: medium 3D, some mild
Thor 1 3D: mostly medium 3D and some mild
Titanic 3D: medium 3D, and some strong 3D
Tron Legacy 3D: mostly mild 3D
Tekken Blood Vengeance 3D: mild 3D
Three Stooges 3D: mild to medium 3D
Terminator Genisys 3D: high medium, strong
Texas Chainsaw 3D: mostly medium
Turbo 3D: mostly medium
Those Redheads from Seattle 3D: Strong 3D layers
Three Musketeers 3D: medium 3D, some strong, some mild
Transformers Darkside of the Moon 3D: medium, some strong
Transformers: The Last Knight 3D Paramount Pictures Mostly medium 3D, and strong 3D during the finale'.
Tad the Lost Explorer 3D: even mix of mild, medium and strong 3D
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3D: medium to strong
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows 3D: some medium, mostly strong 3D

U
Upside Down 3D: very mild to mild 3D.
Under the Sea (Imax) 3D: mostly strong
Underworld Awakening 3D: mostly mild, some strong 3D and medium
Underworld: Blood Wars 3D: Mostly low medium with some high medium 3D layers.
Up 3D: mix of mild, some medium 3D

V
Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets 3D Mix of mild, medium and some strong 3D during action. Few pop outs.

W
Walk 3D: mostly medium, but strong 3D at the end
Warcraft 3D: strong 3D Medium to strong 3D
Wonder Woman 3D Warner Bros. / DC Entertainment Mostly medium 3D, some strong 3D, a pop out or two.
World War Z 3D: Medium to strong 3D mix
Wolverine 3D: mild, medium 3D
War of the Worlds Goliath 3D: mix of mild to medium 3d
Wrath of the Titans 3D: medium, some mild, some strong
Wizard of Oz 3D: medium 3d.
Walking with Dinosaurs 3D: mix of medium, some mild
Wreck it Ralph 3D: mostly medium, some mild
Wild Life 3D (NWave) September 9th: Very strong 3D and strong pop outs.

X
X-Men Days of Future Past 3D: medium 3D, some strong
X-Men Apocalypse 3D: medium 3D, some strong
XXX: Return of Xander Cage 3D: Mostly high medium 3D, strong 3D and nice pop outs.

Y
Yogi Bear 3D: mostly medium, some mild, some strong

Z
Zootopia 3D: Medium 3D








3D Theatrical MOVIES 2017 List subject to change (updated Nov. 16, 2016)

JAN 2017
Underworld: Blood Wars 3D: Mostly low medium with some high medium 3D layers. Some mild 3D also.
Monster Trucks 3D (3D Trailer looked mild to medium 3D)
XXX: Return of Xander Cage 3D Paramount Pictures: Mostly high medium 3D, strong 3D and nice pop outs.
Resident Evil: The Final Chapter 3D Screen Gems: Mostly mild 3D layers. Some medium 3D.

FEB 2017
The Lego Batman Movie 3D Warner Bros. (reports of mild to medium 3D)
The Great Wall 3D Universal Pictures / Legendary Pictures Mostly medium and some strong 3D. Nice pop outs.

MAR 2017
Kong: Skull Island 3D Warner Bros. / Legendary Pictures Mostly medium and some strong 3D. Few pop outs.
Beauty and the Beast 3D Walt Disney Pictures (heard great things about the 3D, but haven't seen it yet)
The Boss Baby 3D 20th Century Fox / DreamWorks Animation
Ghost in the Shell 3D Paramount Pictures / DreamWorks Pictures Plenty of medium 3D and some stronger 3D. Some nice pop outs too.

APRIL 2017
The Great Wall 3D Universal Pictures / Legendary Pictures Mostly medium and some strong 3D. Nice pop outs.

MAR 2017
Smurfs: The Lost Village 3D Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures Animation: Consistently medium 3D layers. Some pop out.
Fate of the Furious 3D Universal Pictures (not in US)

MAY 2017
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 3D Marvel Studios: Mostly strong 3D with strong 3D pop outs.
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword 3D Warner Bros. / Village Roadshow: Medium 3D, some strong 3D during action, and strong pop outs
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 3D Walt Disney Pictures (reported as medium with some strong 3D)

JUNE 2017
Captain Underpants 3D 20th Century Fox / DreamWorks Animation (reported as medium to strong 3D)
Wonder Woman 3D Warner Bros. / DC Entertainment Mostly medium 3D, some strong 3D, a pop out or two.
The Mummy 3D Universal Pictures (Finally confirmed by Universal Pictures, April 2017) Mostly low medium to medium 3D.
Cars 3 3D Walt Disney Pictures / Pixar Animation Studios (Reported as medium with some strong 3D)
Transformers: The Last Knight 3D Paramount Pictures Mostly medium 3D, and strong 3D during the finale'.
Despicable Me 3 3D Universal Pictures / Illumination Entertainment (Looks like medium 3D from 3D trailers)

JULY 2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming 3D Marvel Studios / Columbia Pictures Mostly medium 3D and some strong 3D during action.
War for the Planet of the Apes 3D 20th Century Fox (Reported as mild to medium 3D)
Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets 3D Mix of mild, medium and some strong 3D during action. Few pop outs.

AUG 2017
Terminator 2 3D - Confirmed
The Nut Job 2 3D Open Road Films
Blazing Samurai 3D? (animated) Open Road Films
Emojimovie: Express Yourself 3D Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures Animation

SEP 2017
The Lego Ninjago Movie 3D? Warner Bros.

OCT 2017
Blade Runner 2049 3D? Warner Bros.
My Little Pony: The Movie 3D? Lionsgate / Hasbro Studios
Geostorm 3D Confirmed October 20, 2017 Warner Bros

NOV 2017
Thor: Ragnarok 3D Marvel Studios
The Star 3D? Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures Animation
Justice League 3D Warner Bros. / DC Entertainment
Coco 3D Walt Disney Pictures / Pixar Animation Studios

DEC 2017
Star Wars: Episode VIII 3D Lucasfilm Ltd.
Ferdinand 3D: Blue Sky Studios (Ice Age)
Jumanji: Enter the Jungle 3D Columbia Pictures


TBD: (To be determined, possibly 2018) (Thanks to the post by BleedOrange)
Friday the 13th 3D? Paramount Pictures
Resident Evil: Vendetta
The Six Billion Dollar Man 3D? Dimension Films
The Greatest Showman on Earth 3D? 20th Century Fox
Son of Big Foot (Turtle's Tale 1 & 2, Thunder and the House of Magic 3D, Wild Life/Robinson Crusoe, NWave)
Gnomeo & Juliet: Sherlock Gnomes
Spectral
Maze Runner: The Death Cure
Animal Crackers
The Solutrean by Albert Hughes (Book of Eli)

Pushed to 2018+
Friday 13th 3D
World War Z II 3D




Paramount Pictures - Upcoming films
Release date
Gnomeo & Juliet: Sherlock Gnomes co-production with Paramount Animation, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Rocket Pictures[55]
July 27, 2018 Mission: Impossible 6 co-production with Skydance Media, Bad Robot Productions and Cruise/Wagner Productions[44]
December 21, 2018 Bumblebee co-production with Amblin Entertainment, Hasbro Studios, Bay Films, di Bonaventura Pictures, and Platinum Dunes[44]
March 15, 2019 Amusement Park produced by Paramount Animation and Nickelodeon Movies[44]
June 28, 2019 Transformers 6 co-production with Amblin Entertainment, Hasbro Studios, Bay Films, Di Bonaventura Pictures, and Platinum Dunes[44]
July 12, 2019 Top Gun: Maverick (3D?) co-production with Skydance Media, Jerry Bruckheimer Films and Cruise/Wagner Productions
August 2, 2019 The SpongeBob Movie 3 produced by Paramount Animation, Nickelodeon Movies and United Plankton Pictures
October 4, 2019 Gemini Man (3D?) co-production with Skydance Media
February 7, 2020 The Loud House (3D?) production by Paramount Animation and Nickelodeon Movies
July 31, 2020 Untitled Nicktoons Project 2 (3D?) produced by Paramount Animation and Nickelodeon Movies
TBA Clifford
Infinite
Labyrinth Lost
Luna Park
Neurotribes
Henry Danger: The Movie produced by Schneider's Bakery and Nickelodeon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Pictures_films

The bold highlighted films are certain to be in 3D from Paramount.

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Great stuff friend. Especially like the film examples.

So would 'The Bubble' not be classed as very strong?

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Excellent work @Zivouhr ... I've added it to my post @Kodi forum here, just before the list of recommended 3D BD's. I may have to update my list based on this thread .

Re: your list, I'd suggest not random order, but in order of most extreme to mild 3D, and within each of those, in alphabetical order.
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Bravo! Excellent way to describe your 3D experiences. I tried the red/cyan post and there was a bit ghosting.

Mild: The Huntsman: Winter's War- So pointless.
Agree with X-Men: Apocalypse. Medium to high medium.
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As I'm sure you're aware, it's overly simplistic to judge 3-D by image separation alone. That's one factor. I've seen some examples where the image had a truly impressive sense of volume and layering, and yet to take off the glasses, you'd never know it.

To my way of thinking, 'extreme 3-D' would be the description of something that may make for uncomfortable viewing, but basically works. There's 'extreme 3-D', and there's 3-D that has been pushed to the point where it's broken down and where our eyes simply cannot resolve the two images into one and the illusion just doesn't work anymore. A film like Comin' At Ya had 3-D that was enjoyably extreme much of the time, but had a few shots that just broke down and came apart, and unfortunately that's what people remember about it.
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Thanks for the feedback.

The Bubble, I would say strong to very strong 3D, yes.

I'll reorder that list soon.
And true, that for the list of titles, I have to add very strong in there, but just generalized it to strong, medium and mild mostly.

Please add your own lists and 3D assessments of those titles based on your point of view. That would be cool to see. Add for levels of volume, pop out, layers, 3D framing, composition, etc if you have time.

With anaglyph, ghosting is actually unavoidable as is one of the flaws of the red/cyan glasses, which can't block all blue or red color completely, resulting in ghosting.

I agree, this is just addressing the 3D layering and pop out, which doesn't take into account the fine features of volume (which can also be part of mild, medium to strong 3D), but is much more subtle to detect at times.
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Zivouhr, have you had a chance to read either The Theory of Stereoscopic Transmission by Raymond and Nigel Spottiswoode or Foundations of the Stereoscopic Cinema by Lenny Lipton? They both provide helpul information to further refine your categorization of stereo imagery. Both books are available online for free download:

http://www.stereoscopic.org/library/

I salute your efforts in cataloguing the relative stereo strength of various movies. But, as you say, observations and conclusions are often subjective. I have to admit, I was amused and mildly dismayed at your previous assessment elsewhere on the forum that House of Wax has some "high medium" 3-D, which assessment I respectfully do not agree with. In my view, any film shot using an interaxial (camera lens separation) at or near the human interocular (eye separation) inherently has strong 3-D. Of course, strong 3-D can be squandered by directors and DPs with no inspiration for composition, interposition (what many people mean when they speak of "layering"), and other important nuances. And very often those films that are thought to have "weak" or "mild" 3-D have been created using severely diminished interaxials, sometimes measured in just a few millimeters.

One key element I look for when assessing the strength of a stereo image is the separation of homologous image points at nominal infinity. When I see a distant mountain range or some other far, far object, I try to gauge the amount of separation between the left and right images onscreen. If it seems to me that this separation is at least as great as the distance between the average pair of human eyes-- that is, ~65 millimeters-- then I am prepared to conclude that the shot in question was probably taken with a normal interaxial that approximates the human interocular. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am when, watching a modern 3-D movie in a cinema, I can plainly see that the displacement for infinity points is some tee-ninesy amount. I am only barely mature enough not to start throwing popcorn.

There are qualifiers that come into play, as you will learn from Messrs. Spottiswoode and Lipton. For instance, screen size is a definite factor. I would not expect to see the same separation between far image points on my LG television as I would expect to see onscreen at the AMC in Burbank; I expect the stereo images on my television to have an overall diminished visual scale than those at the multiplex. But when I go to the largest screen in the multiplex, watch without 3-D glasses, and see very little visible parallax (as happened at various moments in Amazing Spider-Man, Life of Pi, and The Great Gatsby, to cite just three examples), then I feel I am dealing with mild, timid, tepid 3-D that hardly justifies its own existence. (I hasten to add, none of these three films is entirely devoid of merit. I am critiquing milquetoast 3-D in particular scenes.)

Another factor is far point distance. One would not expect far point objects to have a separation equal to the human interocular if those far point objects are not actually at nominal infinity. In other words, a wall 40 feet away will not have the same amount of parallax as a mountain range several miles away. But in my view, a camera system with an interaxial that is equal to or perhaps slightly greater than the human interocular produces "strong" 3-D even if the farthest object is not very far away at all. Since House of Wax was filmed using a camera rig that had a 3.5-inch interaxial (this is the received wisdom, anyway), every shot in it is "strong" by my lights, even those numerous shots that were originated in the confines of a soundstage.

I remember reading several times over the years, in several different places, that Hitchcock was thought to have undermined or even sabotaged the 3-D in Dial "M" for Murder by insisting on a reduced interaxial. The definitie implication was that the stereo in Dial "M" was weak, and that Hitchcock personally was to blame. Now, many of us own Dial "M" on Blu-Ray and are by this time intimately acquainted with its visuals. I would be greatly astonished if any of my knowledgeable friends on this forum would describe the 3-D in Dial "M" as weak. If Hitchcock and his DP, Robert Burks, did shoot with a reduced I/A, then it must surely have been on the order of, say, two inches, and not two centimeters, as I suspect was the case on several recent 3-D films I was fooled into seeing.

Doom Town, that somber and memorable short featured in 3-D Rarities, was filmed using a rig with a fixed interaxial of about 1.5 inches (37.6 millimeters, give or take), but I likewise would be astonished if anyone here would describe the 3-D in Doom Town as weak. The feeble 3-D on view in so many recent blockbusters-- those that were shot in native 3-D, anyway-- really is largely attributable to tiny little interaxials, imposed by crews (or perhaps executives) too nervous and unimaginative to make proper use of any visual medium so powerful as 3-D.

As for eye-ripping 3-D with severely high parallax values of the sort typified by Comin' At Ya!, the fault lies with those who would bring objects way, way, way too close to the camera. Huge amounts of negative parallax (parallax that brings objects forward of the screen plane) is bad enough, but sometimes, in a misguided effort to reduce that value without keeping objects farther away from the lenses, camera crews will bring the plane of convergence way, way forward. The net result: crazy high values of negative and positive parallax in the same shot, making the whole image difficult to fuse and physically uncomfortable to look at. It is very worth noting that the I/A for Optimax III was only slightly greater than the human interocular. The I/A for Natural Vision was about an inch greater; even so, compare the robust yet easy-to-view imagery in, say, Gog to the frequently nausea-inducing mess of Comin' At Ya! It should be obvious that, many times, extreme or unwatchable 3-D cannot be blamed on a wide I/A, but on careless, inexperienced, or downright reckless camera crews and creative personnel.
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Thanks for all of the details Bavanut. I know this is a simplified view of observing the strength of the 3D, but it works in most cases to give others a good idea of what they might be in for, not counting all of the finer details.

I'll check into those sources next time I get a chance, thanks.

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It's a very independent, low budget, almost home made style 3D movie with budget cameras, but the 3D was an interesting experiment from the view of an independent filmmaker trying to offer a strong 3D experience, which is one reason I listed it. I'm not sure if it's still available on blu ray, and requires setting your 3D TV to side by side 3D, as it's presented with two images side by side. Not full 1080p.

Carnival of Souls 3D is another one I have, from a small independent conversion effort by one person. Considering that, it's a nice conversion in the medium, mild 3D range.
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Zivouhr, other titles for you to add, as you've probably seen them even if you don't own them:

T.S. Spivet, Life of Pi, Pina, Cave of Forgotten Dreams, Love 3D, Goodbye to Language, Big Hero 6, Top Gun.

You need to correct one of the entries for Spider-man as I'm sure you meant Spider-man 2.

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Zivouhr, other titles for you to add, as you've probably seen them even if you don't own them:

T.S. Spivet, Life of Pi, Pina, Cave of Forgotten Dreams, Love 3D, Goodbye to Language, Big Hero 6, Top Gun.

You need to correct one of the entries for Spider-man as I'm sure you meant Spider-man 2.
Thanks Rickyrockard. I've heard the 3D in Spivet is promising and a good conversion for Top Gun. Big Hero 6 I saw in theaters and it's medium 3D in my view.

How did you like Cave of Forgotten Dreams' 3D?
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How did you like Cave of Forgotten Dreams' 3D?
I've not watched it yet but I'm not holding out for a great stereo experience. I remember reading that they had make a bodge of a rig to get the cameras into the caves and correct the stereo image in post.
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I've not watched it yet but I'm not holding out for a great stereo experience. I remember reading that they had make a bodge of a rig to get the cameras into the caves and correct the stereo image in post.
The native 3D in Cave of Forgotten Dreams looks very good--maybe in the "strong" range if I'm forced to categorize it. However, the converted segments are semi-painful to watch--very amateur and unshapely.
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The native 3D in Cave of Forgotten Dreams looks very good--maybe in the "strong" range if I'm forced to categorize it. However, the converted segments are semi-painful to watch--very amateur and unshapely.
To film the art in 3D when in the confined tight spaces I believe they used the Portable miniature Go Pro Hero 3 HD Black cameras in the 3D system. Memory is foggy so I don't remember conversion.
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In some movies, the 3-D image goes into the black bars ("frame breaking 3D") like in Ghostbusters 3D (e.g. when Patty's necklace hangs down into the bottom black bar) and Guardians of the Galaxy 3D. Is there an actual name for this type of 3D effect in movies? Also, is there a list of movies that utilize this "frame-breaking 3D" effect?

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In some movies, the 3-D image goes into the black bars ("frame breaking 3D") like in Ghostbusters 3D (e.g. when Patty's necklace hangs down into the bottom black bar) and Guardians of the Galaxy 3D. Is there an actual name for this type of 3D effect in movies? Also, is there a list of movies that utilize this "frame-breaking 3D" effect?

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Frame Breaking 3D is a good name, though I'm not sure if it has an official name yet, since the effect requires the black bars to be a part of the film file itself, when normally, you might just have the black bars absent and just the image as part of the film/file. In this case, the black bars need to exist as part of the film so the object/image can overlap them to give the effect that they're breaking out of the screen, beyond the top/bottom borders of the frame.

TMNT 1 & 2 3D use it, G Force, what else?
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In some movies, the 3-D image goes into the black bars ("frame breaking 3D") like in Ghostbusters 3D (e.g. when Patty's necklace hangs down into the bottom black bar) and Guardians of the Galaxy 3D. Is there an actual name for this type of 3D effect in movies? Also, is there a list of movies that utilize this "frame-breaking 3D" effect?

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the effect that they're breaking out of the screen, beyond the top/bottom borders of the frame.

TMNT 1 & 2 3D use it, G Force, what else?
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Frame Breaking 3D is a good name, though I'm not sure if it has an official name yet, since the effect requires the black bars to be a part of the film file itself, when normally, you might just have the black bars absent and just the image as part of the film/file. In this case, the black bars need to exist as part of the film so the object/image can overlap them to give the effect that they're breaking out of the screen, beyond the top/bottom borders of the frame.

TMNT 1 & 2 3D use it, G Force, what else?
guardians of the galaxy had the frame breaking 3d as well in one scene.
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Just stumbled across this thread, thanks so much for posting it. There's a wealth of useful information here and I can see me coming back to it as I build my collection. Cheers!
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