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Old 10-22-2016, 08:20 AM   #1
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Since 2000, there have been an increase on films being finished on a digital intermediate that they stop looking like actual film. By 2004, it's basically become a requirement. Only a few films these days are finished photochemically and, in my humble opinion, look way better. Are there any recent films on Blu-Ray that have been finished photochemically? If you want, you could go a bit earlier than 2004.

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Here's more:

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Just to say I completely share the sentiment that photochemically finished movies look better It's a shame Steven Spielberg and JJ Abrams, advocates of anamorphic film, don't use this method anymore either.
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Interesting thread.

It is a shame that The Dark Knight (35mm scenes) and Transcendence were then butchered digitally for their Blu-ray releases.
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Interesting thread.

It is a shame that The Dark Knight (35mm scenes) and Transcendence were then butchered digitally for their Blu-ray releases.
Thank you. I just wanted to make a thread about recent films that look like film. Even those shot on film look too digital due to the color grading, to the point it wouldn't make a difference. DI's can work to tell a story, like Pleasantville, O Brother, Where Art Thou, and The Aviator, but nothing beats the colors, dynamic range, nor colors of photochemically timed films.

Yes, it's a shame. At least Nolan's later films look spectacular. I pray for that UHD BD of The Dark Knight to correct this mistake. The trailer, which is how the film looked originally, looks gorgeous:

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Admittedly, I don't know what the fnck I'm talking about, but does it even really matter when you're using CGI laden films like the Nolan films, Hulk, and War of the Worlds?
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Admittedly, I don't know what the fnck I'm talking about, but does it even really matter when you're using CGI laden films like the Nolan films, Hulk, and War of the Worlds?
Jurassic Park, Titanic, and a bunch of other "CGI laden films" back then still were finished photochemically. What's your point? Plus, Nolan likes to use more practical effects anyway.
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Son of Saul was finished photochemically.

http://www.studiodaily.com/2016/02/s...r-son-of-saul/
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The Master was completed both photochemically (for 70mm and 35mm exhibition) and with a 4K DI (for digital projection and to create 35mm prints). The BD is from the digital master.

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Son of Saul was finished photochemically.

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The Master was completed both photochemically (for 70mm and 35mm exhibition) and with a 4K DI (for digital projection and to create 35mm prints). The BD is from the digital master.

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http://screenanarchy.com/2012/09/jas...rsonality.html
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PTA could have gone the other way, timing the negative, then scanning that into 4K without doing much additional manipulation. It seems, if sources are to be believed, that the process was done in tandem - one for digital, one for analogue. Similar, but not exactly the same process, this is a film with a split personality, different depending on how you see it.
Why didn't PTA just scan the original IP? It would've looked far better that way. You are right that what he did was still digital manipulation. It's important to note that a digital scan of a film cell doesn't look the same as that same cell being projected onto a screen.
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Agree that The Dark Knight trailers looks gorgeous compared to the bluray. The transfer has always sucked. Even in 2008 when the bluray first came out, the 35mm never looked right, although the IMAX stuff is amazing.

And I always found it odd that Tarantino who is so against digital, used a DI for Kill Bill (2K), Death Proof (2K), and Inglorious Basterds (4K). Although I know he did Hateful Eight photochemically. The fact that Nolan is more hardcore about film than Tarantino is just funny to me, since Tarantino is always bashing digital.

I personally don't see a difference in a digital finish vs a photochemical finish. Although it makes no sense to shoot 35mm (approximately 3-4K native) then make a 2K DI since you just reduced your native resolution. So while, I don't feel a photochemical finish makes a difference "visually", I do agree that movies shot on film look far better than movies shot digitally. With that said, digital photography can look great (although not nearly as great as film) in the hands of a great director, for example David Fincher.

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Agree that The Dark Knight trailers looks gorgeous compared to the bluray. The transfer has always sucked. Even in 2008 when the bluray first came out, the 35mm never looked right, although the IMAX stuff is amazing.

And I always found it odd that Tarantino who is so against digital, used a DI for Kill Bill (2K), Death Proof (2K), and Inglorious Basterds (4K). Although I know he did Hateful Eight photochemically. The fact that Nolan is more hardcore about film than Tarantino is just funny to me, since Tarantino is always bashing digital.

I personally don't see a difference in a digital finish vs a photochemical finish. Although it makes no sense to shoot 35mm (approximately 3-4K native) then make a 2K DI since you just reduced your native resolution. So while, I don't feel a photochemical finish makes a difference "visually", I do agree that movies shot on film look far better than movies shot digitally. With that said, digital photography can look great (although not nearly as great as film) in the hands of a great director, for example David Fincher.
Not just a great director but great DP. Lubezki and Deakins, especially, are pros at making digitally shot films looks amazing. Lubezki won 3 Oscars in a row for them (well, Gravity had a little 65mm but it was gonna win regardless of that or not). I prefer film, personally, but it's their choice.

In defense of Tarantino, I read it was Robert Richardson who suggested to him a DI, and Richardson is infamous for being stubborn. Still a great DP, though, though he robbed Lubezki of an Oscar for The Tree Of Life. I mean, Hugo has the best 3D ever, but Tree Of Life was like 3D without the glasses! I mentioned those 3 Oscars he won but Tree Of Life remains his finest work as a DP, in my opinion.
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Jurassic Park, Titanic, and a bunch of other "CGI laden films" back then still were finished photochemically. What's your point? Plus, Nolan likes to use more practical effects anyway.
If it's been mucked about digitally, then who really cares if it's been finished photochemically? As for Nolan, there's CGI in every one of his effects shots, even the practical ones.
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If it's been mucked about digitally, then who really cares if it's been finished photochemically? As for Nolan, there's CGI in every one of his effects shots, even the practical ones.
He uses CGI the way it's supposed to be used: to enhance the practical effects or to do effects not feasible with practical effects. Too much CGI ruins a film for me.
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