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Old 02-26-2008, 03:53 AM   #41
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I have all my speakers set to small, even though the yammy 1800 sets the fronts and center to large and crossover at 100hz. but I lowered the crossover to 80.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:57 AM   #42
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I just got a new receiver & it's been a looooong time since I messed with setting up a reciever.

Back in the day everyone recommended setting all your speakers to 'Small' no matter what size they are and letting the sub handle the low end. Is this still the recommeded method?

I ran the auto cal. on the receiver and it wants to set all the speakers to 'Large'.
There is a thread that I created. It is called "Calibrating You Audio With an SPL Meter". It has a section on subwoofers and the interaction beween subwoofers and the main speakers. It covers the issue of large and small speakers.

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Old 02-29-2008, 02:24 AM   #43
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I have a Yamaha RX-V661 receiver with Paradigm Studio towers and center. How do I change between small and large setting? Thanks
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:32 PM   #44
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I have a Yamaha RX-V661 receiver with Paradigm Studio towers and center. How do I change between small and large setting? Thanks
You have to go to the receiver's setup menu to do that. Press the Menu or Setup key on the remote and navigate to find the speaker setup option.
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Old 03-01-2008, 02:29 PM   #45
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Anyone know what the SW+ setting means for the subwoofer?
You must have a Pioneer receiver, right?

SW Plus means that all your bass information is being sent to both the main speakers AND the subwoofer. This is what I LOVE about Pioneer receivers and was one of the main reasons I bought mine.

If your speakers can handle good mid-bass (let's say they have at least 6" woofers) then set them to large and use the SW plus setting. It really is a fantastic feature.
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Old 03-02-2008, 02:43 PM   #46
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Large mean that the bass remain in the speaker, Small mean that any frequency below the crossover point is sent to the sub.

The audyssey tech on avsforum said that everyone should always put Small even if they autocalib software say Large. These setting are forced by receiver manifacturer and the tech said that Audyssey is trying to push out this notion from receiver, but maker just won't let go...

It was nice when nobody had sub or when people had 15 inch woofer in their speakers in the 1980's but nowaday it's just not applicable..
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:20 PM   #47
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You must have a Pioneer receiver, right?

SW Plus means that all your bass information is being sent to both the main speakers AND the subwoofer. This is what I LOVE about Pioneer receivers and was one of the main reasons I bought mine.

If your speakers can handle good mid-bass (let's say they have at least 6" woofers) then set them to large and use the SW plus setting. It really is a fantastic feature.
remember when you do this tho, ALL frequencies will be sent to your speakers, bypassing what you set in the crossover frequency settings. this means anything including those under 80Hz (or whatever settings you put) will throw it to the main speakers, providing an opportunity to wreck your speakers.

id still set it to Small, SW, then if your speakers can handle it, the lowest setting for your crossovers.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:38 PM   #48
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You must have a Pioneer receiver, right?

SW Plus means that all your bass information is being sent to both the main speakers AND the subwoofer. This is what I LOVE about Pioneer receivers and was one of the main reasons I bought mine.

If your speakers can handle good mid-bass (let's say they have at least 6" woofers) then set them to large and use the SW plus setting. It really is a fantastic feature.
Yammies and Onkyos do the same. Just activate the "double-bass/Both" setting.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:39 PM   #49
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I have all my speakers set to small, even though the yammy 1800 sets the fronts and center to large and crossover at 100hz. but I lowered the crossover to 80.
Set them to large and leave your crossover at 80. You will get a fuller sound.
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Set them to large and leave your crossover at 80. You will get a fuller sound.
your crossover settings will NOT affect the speakers when you set the speakers to LARGE.

Large settings will send the FULL bandwidth signal to the speaker, despite the crossover settings.
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Old 03-02-2008, 08:15 PM   #51
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Hey I also have a question for you guys. I have the Yamaha V661, and when I run the auto calibration it sets my crossover to 160 htz, is that too much? I've seen mostly everyone have 80 or 100. Sorry about the noob question, I just don't want to be losing any sound.

I got the Klipsch B-3's, C-2, S-2's, and Sub-10. The S-2's are about 6 feet away from my listening point, and the B-3's are about 9 feet away, and 8 feet apart from each other.

It also set my fronts to small, but the bass out to "both". I set it back for bass to come out of the sub only, was I correct in doing this? Thanks in advance.
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Hey I also have a question for you guys. I have the Yamaha V661, and when I run the auto calibration it sets my crossover to 160 htz, is that too much? I've seen mostly everyone have 80 or 100. Sorry about the noob question, I just don't want to be losing any sound.

I got the Klipsch B-3's, C-2, S-2's, and Sub-10. The S-2's are about 6 feet away from my listening point, and the B-3's are about 9 feet away, and 8 feet apart from each other.

It also set my fronts to small, but the bass out to "both". I set it back for bass to come out of the sub only, was I correct in doing this? Thanks in advance.
your b-3s go all the way down to 53hz, but we dont want to push it that far. your center tho bottoms out at 82hz.

my opinion is to play around with it either at 80 or 100hz.id leave it at 100hz tho IMO. see what works for you.
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:47 PM   #53
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I've been experimenting with this recently. I tried setting my fronts to small, even when the sub was switched off, and found that sound quality for music was rather better overall.
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Small just cutoff bass based on you're Bass Management Settings.

If you have set you're speaker at 80hz.. all signal under 80hz will be cut, and sent to you're sub.

I personnally use 40hz for the front because with 80hz there just too much bass send to the sub for my liking..
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I know what you mean, but it just sounded better. Trying to explain it now. What I really wanted to do was use the AVR to keep everything below 100Hz away from the mains, but somehow it just doesn't seem so great in practice.

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I know what you mean, but it just sounded better. Trying to explain it now. What I really wanted to do was use the AVR to keep everything below 100Hz away from the mains, but somehow it just doesn't seem so great in practice.

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Old 03-10-2008, 09:34 PM   #57
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Does the Onkyo 605 have a size setting for speakers? I ran the auto-calibration and didn't see it listed in the speaker settings.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:57 PM   #58
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briking, No, the onkyo does not have a "large" or "small" setting, for "large" speakers set the callibration to "full" any other setting is considerd "small".
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This is a great thread. I'm a noob trying to research myself into a better understanding of crossovers and the like. I've got an Onkyo 705 and I've done the Audyssey set-up and my fronts, center and surrounds were all set to "Full Band", I changed them and set the crossovers all to 80Hz except the sub I set at 120Hz. My speakers are as follows:

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Surrounds - Polk FXi A4"s - Should I bump the crossover to 60Hz?
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Another question I have is my speakers are all rated 8 ohms, so why does my Onkyo 705 have the speakers setting at 6 ohms? Should I change it?

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I am confused about how to se tup my speakers. I have a Onkyo 605, Velodyne DPS sub, Klipsch C-1 center, Klipsch S-1 surrounds, and the Infinity towers here: http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/...USA&Country=US.

The Onkyo's Audessey came up with Full Band for the fronts, 100hz for the center, 120hz for the surrounds, 100hz for LPF of LFE, and Double Bass on. Is this correct? If I change the fronts to 80hz, it turns double bass off.
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