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Old 03-02-2008, 05:04 AM   #1
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Okay, I'm sure this has been discussed before but I must have missed it...
But why don't we have the option to ZOOM IN on Blu Ray?? I have a 46" widescreen HDTV. 1:85:1 movies take up the whole screen and 2:40:1 movies have the black bars. Shouldn't we, the viewers, have the option if we would like to zoom in the 2:40:1 movies a bit? Sometimes I would be willing to lose a little bit on the sides to get the movie to fill the screen- but we are not given that option on Blu Ray.
Is a ZOOM function going to be available in any future Blu Ray players?
 
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Besides the obvious reasons of why you shouldn't zoom, every player can do it anyway.
What player do you have that can't?
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Doesn't your TV have that capability? Most of them do....
 
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ZOOM = Video degradation
 
Old 03-02-2008, 05:29 AM   #5
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Besides the obvious reasons of why you shouldn't zoom, every player can do it anyway.
What player do you have that can't?
I have the Panasonic BD30. Am I missing something? Can this player actually zoom...and if so, how and where?

My TV (RCA 46" LCD HDTV) wont allow me to zoom anything played through HDMI. Is that unusual?
 
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I have the Panasonic BD30. Am I missing something? Can this player actually zoom...and if so, how and where?

My TV (RCA 46" LCD HDTV) wont allow me to zoom anything played through HDMI. Is that unusual?
Yes it can and if you do it you will be missing something. The sides of the picture!
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I have the Panasonic BD30. Am I missing something? Can this player actually zoom...and if so, how and where?

My TV (RCA 46" LCD HDTV) wont allow me to zoom anything played through HDMI. Is that unusual?

As far as I know, all HDTV's have a picture sizing/shaping function of some kind.
 
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Yes it can and if you do it you will be missing something. The sides of the picture!
Please read page 12 of your manual.
From what I understand, he seems to already know that and doesn't care.

To each his own
 
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ZOOM = Video degradation
Listen to crakinhedz, Jeff. He ain't lyin' to ya.
 
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Old 03-02-2008, 06:24 AM   #11
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Your TV has various zoom modes as well
 
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Zooming in a 1080p movie give you a resolution of 1440x816 , Yeah for HD!
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Okay, I'm sure this has been discussed before but I must have missed it...
But why don't we have the option to ZOOM IN on Blu Ray?? I have a 46" widescreen HDTV. 1:85:1 movies take up the whole screen and 2:40:1 movies have the black bars. Shouldn't we, the viewers, have the option if we would like to zoom in the 2:40:1 movies a bit? Sometimes I would be willing to lose a little bit on the sides to get the movie to fill the screen- but we are not given that option on Blu Ray.
Is a ZOOM function going to be available in any future Blu Ray players?
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Yes it can and if you do it you will be missing something. The sides of the picture!
Please read page 12 of your manual.
Thanks Bootman, you're right, page 12 does explain how to do it... BUT for some reason, it still doesn't work for me. I selected ZOOM on that menu and the screen just stays the same. Have you tried doing this on a 16x9 widescreen TV with your BD30..and if so, does it make 2:40:1 movies zoom in?
It seems to me that whenever I put the Blu Ray player on, my TV automatically goes into 16x9 mode and there is no way to change it. If I play a DVD in a DVD player (through components), I have no problem switching the mode on my TV to Zoom in... But for some reason, No matter what I do, the TV will only play BLU RAY in 16x9 mode (through HDMI or components).
Of course, when I play a 1:85:1 movie, it automatically fills up the whole screen... but with 2:40:1 movies, it just wont let me zoom.
I'm starting to think this problem may have more to do with the TV itself since it automatically goes into 16x9 mode whenever it detects Blu ray.
 
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Your TV is 16:9
BD images are recorded inside a 16:9 frame (1080 x 1920 = 16:9 = 1.78 wide)
So your TV isn't "going" to 16:9 "mode". Your tv IS 16:9 "mode".

Any BD movie not shot in a near 16:9 wide format (movies not 1.66 ~ 1.85 wide) will not fill a 1.78 widescreen if presented straight. Maybe your zoom function doesn't work over HDMI?
 
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Okay, I'm sure this has been discussed before but I must have missed it...
But why don't we have the option to ZOOM IN on Blu Ray?? I have a 46" widescreen HDTV. 1:85:1 movies take up the whole screen and 2:40:1 movies have the black bars. Shouldn't we, the viewers, have the option if we would like to zoom in the 2:40:1 movies a bit? Sometimes I would be willing to lose a little bit on the sides to get the movie to fill the screen- but we are not given that option on Blu Ray.
Is a ZOOM function going to be available in any future Blu Ray players?
I hope your tv and BD player can not do this, as I think it should not be done with HD cable let alone a BR full 1080p picture.

My wife zooms the 4x3 tv images to fill the whole screen, we have two options for this with our tv 1)zoom and 2) stretch. With zoom you lose part of the picture, with stretch everything looks distorted . Then she leaves the zoom/stretch setting on when she flips to the HD channel and gets all mad at me that the picture look horrible. Please, display your images, whatever they are in their intended ratio and do not use any kind of zoom/stretch feature.
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I believe we're looking at planned obsolescence on the part of BD manufacturers.

In spite of the temper tantrums of "purists"--who themselves may have a conflict of interest in the matter--it is undeniably correct for some people to want to reduce or eliminate the horizontal black bars on BR movies. Some people can afford to buy a display that is optimal for their family room, but most people can't. When an optimal viewing distance (2 to 2-1/2 times the diagonal measure) is impractical, zooming can increase "presence" and improve the apparent image quality, even if the actual image quality is technically degraded somewhat and some lateral information gets cropped. DVDs are often zoomed on HD sets and nobody complains, even though DVDs lack the image detail. BD manufacturers apparently encode the horizontal black bars into the 1080p program material, so TVs and players will treat the bars as though they carry information and don't zoom. Manufacturers could instead have omitted the black bars from the program or included pan-and-scan information. Either way, viewers would have then had the option of zooming or not.

I suggest holding off on Blu-ray movie purchases until the manufacturers fix this.
 
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I believe we're looking at planned obsolescence on the part of BD manufacturers.

In spite of the temper tantrums of "purists"--who themselves may have a conflict of interest in the matter--it is undeniably correct for some people to want to reduce or eliminate the horizontal black bars on BR movies. Some people can afford to buy a display that is optimal for their family room, but most people can't. When an optimal viewing distance (2 to 2-1/2 times the diagonal measure) is impractical, zooming can increase "presence" and improve the apparent image quality, even if the actual image quality is technically degraded somewhat and some lateral information gets cropped. DVDs are often zoomed on HD sets and nobody complains, even though DVDs lack the image detail. BD manufacturers apparently encode the horizontal black bars into the 1080p program material, so TVs and players will treat the bars as though they carry information and don't zoom. Manufacturers could instead have omitted the black bars from the program or included pan-and-scan information. Either way, viewers would have then had the option of zooming or not.

I suggest holding off on Blu-ray movie purchases until the manufacturers fix this.

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Are you serious? I'm refering to just the last line...I'm leaving the rest for others
I'm leaving the entire thing...... "let sleeping dogs LIE"

The players, and T.V.s are capable of zooming in almost all cases..... if yours doesn't with HDMI.... connect it with RCA cables (because if you're zooming.... RESOLUTION BE DAMNED anyways right???? ) and try that

As for the current format, and Aspect ratios...... Blu-ray is great BECAUSE of the aspect ratios the films are presented in..... not DESPITE it.
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Some of us just demand a tad bit more from the technology than others.
 
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