3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[HDTV1080P]

USA 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D and 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates

The following are the requirements that need to be met for any USA model to be included on this list

Only displays that properly display 3-D material at native 24Hz for each eye or display 3-D material at a minimum of 144Hz (72Hz for each eye) are including on this list. Displays that offer 192Hz, 240Hz, or higher multiplies of 48Hz are also included on this list as long as they do not require the use of 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, frame interpolation, or black frame insertion. If the display offers frame interpolation, black frame insertion, or 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, then for that display to be included on the list those features must be able to be turned off when watching both 3-D 48Hz and 2-D 24Hz Blu-ray material. The display must offer a minimum of 1080P quality to both eyes in 3-D mode and 2-D mode. 2-D 1080p/24 signals also need to be displayed at either the native frame rate of 24 Hz or multiplies of 24 (One of the following for 2-D sources: 24Hz, 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120HZ, 144Hz, 168Hz, 192Hz, 216Hz, 240Hz, etc)

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. At any time a display may be added or removed from the list to offer the most accurate information possible.

The following are all true 3-D displays with Cinema quality frame rates

4K Front Projectors (4096 x 2160)

SIM2 CINEMAQUATTRO 4K 3-Chip DLP(144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

1080P Front Projectors (1920 x 1080)

Runco D-113d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d Ultra 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 CX3 Lumis 3D Dual 1080p (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 CX3 Lumis 3D Solo HC 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 CX3 Lumis 3D Solo 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN Quad Reference 3D 1080P (112-145) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN Quad 3D 1080P (111-872) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN Reference 1080p-3D (109-324) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p 3D-L (110-403) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p 3D-P (109-583) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p 3D-L UC (110-657) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p 3D-P UC (109-322) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p Dual 3D (109-323) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

TITAN 1080p Dual 3D Ultra Contrast (109-324) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

** There are no 3-D flat panels or 3-D rear projectors on the market yet that offer Cinema quality frame rates in the 3-D mode **

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D Front Projectors and 2-D Plasma displays that was on list 1 of 6 click the following link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903502-post922.html

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays with LED backlighting that was on list 2 of 6 click the following link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903505-post923.html

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 3 of 6 click the following link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903508-post924.html

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 4 of 6 click the following link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903512-post925.html

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D displays that was on list 5 of 6 click the following link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903515-post926.html

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.


To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 6 of 6 click the following link


http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903517-post927.html

[HDTV1080P]

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[HDTV1080P]

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[dialog_gvf]

Isn't it possible for a 1080p/60 input to be converted back to 24p?

To me the issue is displaying a 24 fps cadence, not how the image was transported to the set.

[HDTV1080P]

Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.
The ideal display should be able to accept a 1080P 24/30/60 fps signal from a source that is 1080P. BLU-RAY and HD-DVD movies on the disc are encoded at 1080P/24fps. The advantage of having a display and BLU-RAY player both supporting a 24fps signal from the original source is that one bypass the need of the display having to do a 3:2 pull down. BLU-RAY players and HD-DVD players can introduce motion artifacts with 3:2 pull down when 24 frames is converted to 30 frames. Doing so adds six additional frames. The problem is that jitter during motion can occur. It is possible to do a reverse 3:2 pull down and go from 30 frames to 24 frames which also can lead to motion artifacts.
There are several articles in magazines like Widescreen review and Perfect vision that goes into much more detail about converting frames and the 3:2 pull down process. In general when watching BLU-RAY movies it’s better to keeping the source and input for movies at 24FPS to avoid slight motion artifacts. More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.

Really?

Full frames: AAABBCCCDD -> ABCD

I thought the issues would be in 60i -> 24p.

What sets out there do this 60p -> 24p?

More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.

Some are doing that through creating intermediate frames!

[HDTV1080P]

I don’t know of any sets currently on the market that convert 60P to 24P, but it would be possible to do if that feature was in demand. You would need to then up the 24HZ again to eliminate the flicker. Its better that the display accept the input of the source material then having to convert it. For example if someone is playing a Playstation 3 videogames that was encoded in 1080P/60fps then one would want the display to accept 60HZ signal and display 60HZ or 120HZ refresh rate. 1080P/60 takes a lot of bandwidth and currently no studio broadcast cameras support 1080P/60. Many of the studio cameras broadcasters use 1080P/24 standard. 35MM and 70MM film is also converted to 1080P/24. Broadcasters do not send the signal out at 24HZ since very few monitors support 24HZ. Also the problem with 24HZ is that people would go nuts seeing their monitor flicker every few seconds. Higher refresh rates are always better. Monitors that accept 24fps input have to convert the 24HZ signal from BLU-RAY or HD-DVD players to 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ or 120HZ in order to eliminate the flicker of 24HZ video. The higher the refresh rate the less motion artifacts one will see.

[Knight-Errant]

I'm interested in that new front projector of Panasonic's. PT-AE1000U

[HDTV1080P]

** UPDATE**
Found new specs that show the Panasonic supports 1080P/24. This information was not available before.
The Panasonic appears to be a good 1080P projector. I have not read reviews on it just the specs. 11,000:1 contrast ratio is good for the Panasonic. Sony and JVC have a 15:000:1 contrast ratio. The Panasonic does not accept 24HZ input. That feature is only useful if you plan on getting a BLU-RAY or HD-DVD player that supports 24fps. Looks like the Panasonic can be purchased for around $3,000 on line which is $700 cheaper then the Sony. I would recommended the Sony front projector if you own a Pioneer or Sony BLU-RAY player that supports 24fps.

http://www.calibex.com/PTAE1000U/zzc...0--search-html


The cool thing about BLU-RAY and HD-DVD is that since many movies and TV programs are filmed in HDTV are using 1080p/24 production format that for the first time consumers can watch the material without the material needing to be converted by the player. When these programs are transmitted for broadcast they need to be converted and 6 frames added before broadcasting interlaced at 1080I/30.

[dobyblue]

1080p/24 = Judder-free.

[Knight-Errant]

Wow thanks guys. That makes sense. I read a review at Projector Central that said the Sony Pearl had a soft image when working from Blu-ray and HD DVD sources.

If that's not the case, I'll probably go for a Sony

PS. I have a Sony BD player so it makes sense to get the most out of it!

[Deciazulado]

Do you know if any of these displays also handle 25p/50i?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

2. Sony 70” LCD 1080P KDL-70XBR (scheduled release around Feb

I wonder if Sony will be releasing smaller sizes of this design?

$33K is a tad out of my price range.

Gary

[HDTV1080P]

I would not be surprised that in a year or two years Sony will have this 70” inch LCD for around $15,000. Over time prices will come down. Some of the 100” to 108” LCD screens sale around $100,000. As demand increases for larger screens prices will fall.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Do you know if any of these displays also handle 25p/50i?

As someone who still would like to watch PAL-DVDs I would be interested in this info as well.