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Old 11-21-2011, 09:40 PM   #1361
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Wait --

Before this gets moved to a separate discussion, I'd like to hear Zoet's input and response with regard to Badas' feelings of this Maxell disc and how it relates to the performance of the BDP-83 and associated equipment...

I think he deserves the opportunity to respond and provide his view/counterpoint...
Well, I'm not talking about it anymore. I gave out free advice that for anyone who owns the disc could have tried for nothing. It ended up being rudely thrown back at my face.

I have been into HT since 1988 back in the VHS and laser disc days. Believe me during that time you pick up some handy tweaks. Just because technology has gone mostly digital doesn't mean that there is no more analogue devices in the audio chain. A lot was learned during the analogue period that seems to be just thrown away. Demagnetising or separating components was very important.

Like I said. I gave free advice use it or lose it.

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Old 11-21-2011, 10:26 PM   #1362
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Well, I'm not talking about it anymore. I gave out free advice that for anyone who owns the disc could have tried for nothing. It ended up being rudely thrown back at my face.

I have been into HT since 1988 back in the VHS and laser disc days. Believe me during that time you pick up some handy tweaks. Just because technology has gone mostly digital doesn't mean that there is no more analogue devices in the audio chain. A lot was learned during the analogue period that seems to be just thrown away. Demagnetising or separating components was very important.

Like I said. I gave free advice use it or lose it.

Ta Dono
Wait a second, Badas:

I FOR ONE am NOT questioning your expertise, dedication to this hobby or level of experience with regard to the context of this conversation.
Let's be perfectly clear about that; I don't think this has anything to do with how long someone has been involved with this hobby since the days of laserdisc or VHS...I completely respect every single suggestion, tip and piece of advice you have ever given me, regardless of differences in opinion that we all have. I respect your loyalty to the hobby, as well as the level of expertise in the game, as explained by you.

I just feel that because this has been brought up now, and because two sides had a chance to provide their viewpoints on this laser cleaning solution, it's not fair to just say you're "not talking about it anymore" as Zoet didn't get a chance to respond to the last round of comments you provided -- the theory that DAC's can be "cleaned" somehow in the chain (of course, not a literal explanation or quote, but you know what I mean) seemed a bit strange and questionable to me as well, and I have been in the hobby for a good many years too. That is why I just wanted to hear his side of the argument in terms of the Maxell cleaner; at least let's give him a chance to contribute his thoughts...

Please don't feel it was "thrown back at ya;" let's try to discuss the differences of opinion about this Maxell system in the most humane way possible...

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Old 11-21-2011, 11:10 PM   #1363
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Well,

I have some Oppo news. I played the new Harry Potter in the weekend on my newer Denon 1611 blu-ray player. It jumped and skipped every once and a while.
I put the disc into the Oppo BDP-83 and it played no issue at all.

Shows that the Oppo is still one of the most robust players available.

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Old 11-22-2011, 03:04 AM   #1364
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Well,

I have some Oppo news. I played the new Harry Potter in the weekend on my newer Denon 1611 blu-ray player. It jumped and skipped every once and a while.
I put the disc into the Oppo BDP-83 and it played no issue at all.

Shows that the Oppo is still one of the most robust players available.

Ta Dono
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:57 AM   #1365
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Oppo BDP-83 will never be fully functional thanks to it's outdated MediaTek decoder chipset.

Hearing clipping on Jurassic Park? Missing a 6th surround Channel on Return of the Jedi?
Yes, these are problems that possibly will never be fixed because MediaTek doesn't consider the chips in the BDP-83 to be worthy of future flash upgrades because of their "outdated'ness".

Oppo is aware of all theses issues and a few more, all of them in MediaTek's court and supposedly- possibly never to be addressed.
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Just got to love the BDP-83!
I know I love mine.
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:49 AM   #1367
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I know I love mine.
Amen to that. My Oppos been a dream.
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:51 PM   #1368
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Oppo BDP-83 will never be fully functional thanks to it's outdated MediaTek decoder chipset.

Hearing clipping on Jurassic Park? Missing a 6th surround Channel on Return of the Jedi?
Yes, these are problems that possibly will never be fixed because MediaTek doesn't consider the chips in the BDP-83 to be worthy of future flash upgrades because of their "outdated'ness".

Oppo is aware of all theses issues and a few more, all of them in MediaTek's court and supposedly- possibly never to be addressed.
Is it really necessary to post this in every thread? This is the only one where it belonged.

And you're surprised that some particular technology is obsolete? Really? I suppose you still use floppy drives on your computer.

Missing a sixth surround channel on ROTJ isn't going to kill anybody. I can tell you that in the theatre, Dolby EX and DTS ES was imperceptible. Which is why they were both failures.

I suspect that clipping on Jurassic Park is more of a mastering problem than a MediaTek issue because some idiot supervising the sound mix or mastering was screaming, "make it louder!"
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:33 AM   #1369
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Is it really necessary to post this in every thread? This is the only one where it belonged.

And you're surprised that some particular technology is obsolete? Really? I suppose you still use floppy drives on your computer.

Missing a sixth surround channel on ROTJ isn't going to kill anybody. I can tell you that in the theatre, Dolby EX and DTS ES was imperceptible. Which is why they were both failures.

I suspect that clipping on Jurassic Park is more of a mastering problem than a MediaTek issue because some idiot supervising the sound mix or mastering was screaming, "make it louder!"
I agree with Fanboyz comments.

This is an issue that Oppo needs to look at. Oppo shouldn't put a 3rd party chipset in without backup.
I have read about this a bit. However I haven't struck a issue yet.

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Old 11-30-2011, 02:00 AM   #1370
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From what I've read on other forums. The audio issue is when you use the analogue outputs. Not HDMI bitstream. Can anyone confirm?
I use HDMI bitstream. However I watched Jurrassic and Star Wars on my Denon 1611.

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From what I've read on other forums. The audio issue is when you use the analogue outputs. Not HDMI bitstream. Can anyone confirm?
I use HDMI bitstream. However I watched Jurrassic and Star Wars on my Denon 1611.

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I am using the HDMI for movie vewing and have had no clipping on the audio. I don't have Starwars. Just finished JurrassicIII last night and there was nothing amiss on the audio.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:26 AM   #1372
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I am using the HDMI for movie vewing and have had no clipping on the audio. I don't have Starwars. Just finished JurrassicIII last night and there was nothing amiss on the audio.
Good to know.

I won't bother about it then.

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I'm an hour 39 mins into JUR. PARK, no "clipping" issues whatsoever - just flat out Ass-Kicking' 7.1 Audio!!

(I'll finish it tomorrow, & get to the other 2 as soon as I can - Also, my STAR WARS Complete Saga just arrived today, so you Know that'll be popped in soon also!).
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:07 AM   #1374
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These issues only manifest when the Oppo decodes the soundtrack to LPCM via HDMI or through 7.1 analogue outs. All these issues were confirmed by Oppo. They and everyone else say it's MediaTek's chip, and it's their problem- and MediaTek doesn't care enough to fix it. It looks like we have been boned. This upsets me.
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These issues only manifest when the Oppo decodes the soundtrack to LPCM via HDMI or through 7.1 analogue outs. All these issues were confirmed by Oppo. They and everyone else say it's MediaTek's chip, and it's their problem- and MediaTek doesn't care enough to fix it. It looks like we have been boned. This upsets me.
To have a player that plays everything perfectly is very uncommon. I know its not right, however this is why I have 3 different blu-ray players in my HT rack. Oppo BDP-83, Denon 1611 and PS3 Slim.

The Denon 1611 is not playing the latest Harry Potter correctly. Picture skips, however the Oppo is. So you still end up winning.

I recommend running multiple players, they are now also cheap enougth.

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I have a PS3 too, I'll survive...
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:44 PM   #1377
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Well,

I have some Oppo news. I played the new Harry Potter in the weekend on my newer Denon 1611 blu-ray player. It jumped and skipped every once and a while.
I put the disc into the Oppo BDP-83 and it played no issue at all.

Shows that the Oppo is still one of the most robust players available.

Ta Dono
I have experienced the Opposite. My Denon 4010 operates smooth and plays great, my OPPO 83 often does not respond to remote commands. An audioholics.com review of the 93 and 95 found the same thing in their new review samples:
"Configuration of both the BDP-93 and BDP-95 players is virtually identical. They follow the same setup procedures found on the BDP-83 which we found to be very intuitive. The only real gripe we found was that, on occasion, both players seemed unresponsive to the remote control. There were instances where we tried to navigate through the setup menus where the players simply didn't respond. We informed Oppo about this and they also confirmed some users occasionally experienced similar issues."
OPPO does have good people, products and service, I am not bashing them at all, my post just means people will experience different things with different or even the same machines, and we cant really declare anything as superior and trouble free. Both the denon and oppo have great PQ

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I am using the HDMI for movie vewing and have had no clipping on the audio. I don't have Starwars. Just finished JurrassicIII last night and there was nothing amiss on the audio.
Just received my Jurrassic Trilogy! Good to hear no issue with your set up. I do too have '83 using HDMI bitstream. At least I don't have to worry about.

Never have any issue with this since I got it.
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Both the denon and oppo have great PQ
The Denon's have a obvious picture clipping. The above white info is clipped at about 243. To make it look like it has extra contrast. The Oppo goes to 255.
I gave Denon a hard time about this and they corrected it for the latest batch of firmware. Problem is if you power off the HDMI board goes back to factory settings with the clipping. Not good.

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Never have any issue with this since I got it.
I've never had a issue with the Oppo either. I think it's the best out of the two I own.

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I don't know about measuring and test discs. I've just always liked the Video and audio of Denon's players, going back to when it was just DVD.
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