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Old 03-25-2007, 10:31 PM   #1
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...Happy_Feet/539

That's good to hear. The point they make about the PS3 and Happy Feet is a good point. I'll rent it to see the picture quality, but it's not in my genre to buy it.
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...Happy_Feet/539

That's good to hear. The point they make about the PS3 and Happy Feet is a good point. I'll rent it to see the picture quality, but it's not in my genre to buy it.
Sounds like The Departed, being compared on both fomats but I guess it's diffrent becuase it's a family movie maybe.

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Old 03-25-2007, 10:43 PM   #3
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Sounds like The Departed, being compared on both fomats but I guess it's diffrent becuase it's a family movie maybe.

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Yea, PS3 people are the target audience for The Departed, the 18-34 year old males. With Happy Feet, I'm no industry insider, but I don't think that's the key demographic for that movie.
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Old 03-25-2007, 10:45 PM   #4
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Its not a fair comparison b/c Warner shafted the BD release with only DD5.1.

So all the format neutral folks are buying the HD-DVD.
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Its not a fair comparison b/c Warner shafted the BD release with only DD5.1.

So all the format neutral folks are buying the HD-DVD.
This camparsion is not fair in certain aspects in dealing with the specs but guessing they want to see more evidence to maybe choice one format for there future releases. Frankly, the issue with sound should not be a issue especially the nonstero savey folks out there we have.

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Old 03-25-2007, 11:33 PM   #6
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:57 PM   #7
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This exact story has already been linked and discussed in a thread currently about 3 below this one:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=7060

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looks like a mod combined the threads, originally the post above this one by bluflu was the beginning of a new thread.

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Its not a fair comparison b/c Warner shafted the BD release with only DD5.1.

So all the format neutral folks are buying the HD-DVD.
Well, you could also say that The Departed was not a fair comparison b/c Warner shafted the HD release with a combo format and $5 higher MSRP.

So all the format neutral folks were buying the Blu-ray.

I just find it amusing that the word "fair" only sees the light of day with people when things don't go their way. Yet they're never that concerned with "fair play" as long as its only the other side that suffers. This format war has proved that compassion and tolerance around the web are in short supply.
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:54 AM   #9
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I have both formats & will be picking it up the HD DVD for the Dolby TrueHD. It's only $4 more at Amazon. If a title is released on both formats I pick up the one with the best picture quality & sound. I can get it under $25 with free 2 day shipping.

I'm not sure why Warner didn't include Dolby TrueHD on the Blu-ray version. Sometimes it baffles me which decisions are made for titles on both formats. Sometimes you wonder who's in charge.

I know it's $4 more but it's worth it for me for the better sound & I can play the DVD side in my portable DVD player when I travel. It's a huge difference if you have HDMI or analog outs for the Dolby TrueHD just like it is for the uncompressed audio on certain Blu-ray titles.

I agree "The Departed" was a harder choice since it had uncompressed audio on the Blu-ray & Dolby TrueHD on HD DVD.
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:01 AM   #10
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marine,
just for a quick clarification, d-thd on hd-dvd is often the exact same as dolby on BR. d-thd is just encoded at the same bitrate as dolby on hd-dvd as BR because of limitations of the other format and nothing to do with the sound itself
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just for a quick clarification, d-thd on hd-dvd is often the exact same as dolby on BR. d-thd is just encoded at the same bitrate as dolby on hd-dvd as BR because of limitations of the other format and nothing to do with the sound itself
theknub,
just for a quick clarification, you couldn't be more wrong if it was how you made a living. TrueHD is a variable bitrate lossless codec. Dolby Digital Plus (the standard for most HD-DVD releases) is encoded at the same bitrate as the standard Dolby BD tracks for Warner titles. Paramount, Universal, and Weinstein DD+ tracks are usually encoded at 1500kbps, well above the 640kbps max that standard Dolby Digital has on Blu-ray.
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ur right about differences between d-thd and dd+. keeping them straight can be a ton of fun. however, as has been the case to date, most dd+ and dd tracks are the same bitrate. if i'm completely off base, please point me to where cause off hand i cant think of anything (that, or im pulling a tivo dealer)
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ur right about differences between d-thd and dd+. keeping them straight can be a ton of fun. however, as has been the case to date, most dd+ and dd tracks are the same bitrate. if i'm completely off base, please point me to where cause off hand i cant think of anything (that, or im pulling a tivo dealer)
No, only Warner's DD+ and DD have been the same bitrate, but pretty much all others use a much higher 1536Kbps bitrate (except the ones that are even higher like the Japanese Brothers Grimm @ 2046Kbps).

Benes' thread over at AVS details the numbers, but generally speaking:
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I checked stock in my stores inventory, we are getting 17 copies on Blu-ray & 6 on HDDVD...obviously BB anticipates a greater amount of BD purchases.
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Well, you could also say that The Departed was not a fair comparison b/c Warner shafted the HD release with a combo format and $5 higher MSRP.

So all the format neutral folks were buying the Blu-ray.

I just find it amusing that the word "fair" only sees the light of day with people when things don't go their way. Yet they're never that concerned with "fair play" as long as its only the other side that suffers. This format war has proved that compassion and tolerance around the web are in short supply.
That would be a good point, but the HD DVD fans say they love having the "advantage" of combo discs. That is probably a major reason why they provide combo discs for just about all new releases. No Blu-ray owner sees DD as something wanted over LPCM. To provide LPCM on one title and then not do it on the next is definitely and intentional playing favorites (if you did it once, you can do it again). Therefore, your "fair" comparison is not exactly...well...fair.
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Bestbuy tries to push Blu-ray to sell the more expensive players. I know one of the Magnolian salesmen here in town & we talk all the time when I go in about things like that. I can see them getting more Blu-ray titles in.

Dolby TrueHD is equivalent to uncompressed audio on Blu-ray not Dolby Digital.

There is a huge difference. I buy titles based on the audio & video by title not format since I own both formats. In this case the HD DVD would be the better purchase. On "The Departed" it was even. One had uncompressed audio the other had Dolby TrueHD.

The only advantage the HD DVD disc had over the Blu-ray on that one was you could watch the standard DVD side in your portable DVD player if you're traveling.

I don't know why Warner doesn't use 1.5 M on the Dolby Digital like Paramount does on HD DVD discs. For some strange reason Paramount uses 1.5M Dolby Digital on HD DVD & 640 kbps Dolby Digital on Blu-ray. Who can figure why these companies do the things they do.
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I don't know why Warner doesn't use 1.5 M on the Dolby Digital like Paramount does on HD DVD discs. For some strange reason Paramount uses 1.5M Dolby Digital on HD DVD & 640 kbps Dolby Digital on Blu-ray. Who can figure why these companies do the things they do.
Because Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus are two separate things. Dolby Digtal can't go higher than 640, where DD+ was designed with the ability to go much higher.

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That would be a good point, but the HD DVD fans say they love having the "advantage" of combo discs. That is probably a major reason why they provide combo discs for just about all new releases. No Blu-ray owner sees DD as something wanted over LPCM. To provide LPCM on one title and then not do it on the next is definitely and intentional playing favorites (if you did it once, you can do it again). Therefore, your "fair" comparison is not exactly...well...fair.
How do you figure? While some HD-DVD owners like the ability to have the combo, I'm sure others do not (I would rather have single sided discs over dual). Similarly, saying, "No Blu-ray owner sees DD as something wanted over LPCM" is a bit of an over-generalization, isn't it. Certainly Blu-ray owners without HDMI or analog-in receivers would rather have the traditional Dolby Digital track over a PCM (a complaint that come up with The Sopranos). Again, not all owners, but some. My point was just that people seem to cry, "whoa is me" without really looking at the big picture. In fact, the only guaranteed thing that is unfair, is that HD-DVD owners are made to pay more for a combo that they may or may not want. I just found it amusing that someone would say it's not a fair comparison (with an icon) because of the lack of lossless audio on one without referencing the higher retail price of the other. I actually think it's a rather balanced comparison for once. Each one has a negative that might impact its sales.
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Bestbuy tries to push Blu-ray to sell the more expensive players. I know one of the Magnolian salesmen here in town & we talk all the time when I go in about things like that. I can see them getting more Blu-ray titles in.
Or maybe it may not be that simple, I don't know about the profit margins of HD-DVD vs Blu-ray but a large (Aus standards of size) chain store in Aus, (very similar to Best Buy only on a smaller scale) The recommended retail price for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD is almost the same, so that can have no bearing on it, however they have gone one step further and announced they will NOT be selling HD-DVD as they "don't want to sell $1,000 clocks"
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Similarly, saying, "No Blu-ray owner sees DD as something wanted over LPCM" is a bit of an over-generalization, isn't it. Certainly Blu-ray owners without HDMI or analog-in receivers would rather have the traditional Dolby Digital track over a PCM (a complaint that come up with The Sopranos).
Owners that have receivers w/o analog inputs? Isn't that stretching things a bit? But, let's say that situation would be more than an anomaly. It still does not say DD is wanted OVER PCM. They just have to settle for it until they can do better. Therefore, having DD would be a band-aid for that very rare legacy support situation.

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My point was just that people seem to cry, "whoa is me" without really looking at the big picture.
I agree. I just don't agree that this is one of those times.
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That could be easily matched with the fact that 50GB BD are not used to capacity on Warner Bros. releases, but HD DVD 30GB discs are. Basically, Blu-ray is held to the lowest common denominator because of it's competition...except for the PiP functionality. But, then again, HD DVD is not being held back because Blu-ray does not have PiP functionality. Does that seem "fair"? To me, that is the big picture.

I digress. I believe this was more of an encode comparison of audio/video fairness. On that level, I fail to see the fairness.
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I knew I would have to pay more for a next generation format, so a cost increase was expected. However, having to settle for anything less than next-gen sound and video for that price was not. I think a lot of people feel that way and that's the position Warner Bros. is putting me (and others that feel as I do) in. IMO, that effects sales more. If people wanted to permanently settle for less, they would just have an HD DVD player.
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Happy Feet is a most excellent transfer, but the ported HD DVD encode max-bitrate limit showed up its head in a scene where BD's 40 Mb/s would have helped. A very fast, high contrast, moving scene. Just a tiny couple of seconds peak that HD DVD (and the HD DVD -> BD port) can't provide.
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