Brothers Grimm... & other issues. - Blu-ray Forum

Mike_In_HD · 01-05-2009, 02:02 PM

So I sat down to re-watch The Brothers Grimm this weekend after/between playoff games etc. No, watching the movie wasn't the issue as I'm sure some of you will say - Here is the issue:

I've noticed this in some BD films and also some of my HD titles. Scenes that are CG look horrible. High def almost makes them seem even more animated, less real. They get extremely fuzzy & some have (how do I describe it)... a dark shadow under elements that are going to move (like the trees in Bros Grimm). I've also noticed an orb around some elements.

I have Sharp Aquos TV & BD player... Any insight? Thx...

Mike_In_HD · 01-05-2009, 03:08 PM

Everything I read about this movie is that it has superb PQ... Does this depend on one's BD player?

FIDDYPOP · 01-05-2009, 03:13 PM

Dude Im watchig Spiderman right now thinking the same thing. The cg looks super fake because it is so clear. I wonder how Star Wars will look.

Mike_In_HD · 01-05-2009, 03:17 PM

It's actually the opposite of "so clear"... It's mucky... shadowy. Strange lighting. Only a few BDs I've seen do this. And there's also a strange "orb" that shows up around faces and such during animated scenes. Is this an issue with my Sharp BD player, or is this an actual transfer issue?

FIDDYPOP · 01-05-2009, 03:19 PM

Perhaps its the motion enhancer. Try changing those settings if your TV offers it. Some people have had similar complaints when it is on or set to high.

Jeff Kleist · 01-05-2009, 03:32 PM

According to my friend who worked on the VFX for Spidey 1 and 2, the final color timing is different from how the shots were originally spec'd, and that's hardly an uncommon occurance. Also "a 98% successful CG shot of something that could happen in real life is always going to be more "realistic" than a 98% of something unreal like webslinging, because your brain knows one can happen and one can not" Brother's Grimm was also fairly low budget for what it is

waaimasjien. · 01-05-2009, 08:29 PM

Wouldn't those effects look fake in the cinema too, then? I mean, the resolution you get there is quite a bit higher, yet I don't remember noticing any seriously fake looking CGI when I saw either Spidey or Brothers Grimm at the movies...

Jeff Kleist · 01-05-2009, 08:56 PM

The different color timing exposes it. Video and film are very different in how they display, and it was not re-timed for video

McKellars · 01-13-2009, 01:22 AM

I have noticed this as well on a few BD's. I must say that it is one of the few things that worry me about The Lord of the Rings coming to BD.

Banjo · 01-13-2009, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIDDYPOP

Dude Im watchig Spiderman right now thinking the same thing. The cg looks super fake because it is so clear. I wonder how Star Wars will look.

Honestly, I've always thought Spider-Man looked quite fake even on DVD.

01-05-2009, 02:02 PM	#1
Mike_In_HD Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Ohio Blu-ray collection:969	Brothers Grimm... & other issues. So I sat down to re-watch The Brothers Grimm this weekend after/between playoff games etc. No, watching the movie wasn't the issue as I'm sure some of you will say - Here is the issue: I've noticed this in some BD films and also some of my HD titles. Scenes that are CG look horrible. High def almost makes them seem even more animated, less real. They get extremely fuzzy & some have (how do I describe it)... a dark shadow under elements that are going to move (like the trees in Bros Grimm). I've also noticed an orb around some elements. I have Sharp Aquos TV & BD player... Any insight? Thx...

01-05-2009, 03:13 PM	#3
FIDDYPOP Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Chi-Town Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:424 Blu-ray reviews:1	Dude Im watchig Spiderman right now thinking the same thing. The cg looks super fake because it is so clear. I wonder how Star Wars will look. Sony Bravia XBR KDL-52XBR4 52 inch HD 1080 Sony STR-DG820 Receiver Sony SS-CN5000 Center channel Sony SS-F6000 Floor standing speakers Sony SS-B3000 Bookshelf surrounds Sony SA-W3000 Sub Sony PS3 Gaming and Blu Player Fiddypop PSN

01-05-2009, 03:19 PM	#5
FIDDYPOP Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Chi-Town Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:424 Blu-ray reviews:1	Perhaps its the motion enhancer. Try changing those settings if your TV offers it. Some people have had similar complaints when it is on or set to high. Sony Bravia XBR KDL-52XBR4 52 inch HD 1080 Sony STR-DG820 Receiver Sony SS-CN5000 Center channel Sony SS-F6000 Floor standing speakers Sony SS-B3000 Bookshelf surrounds Sony SA-W3000 Sub Sony PS3 Gaming and Blu Player Fiddypop PSN

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01-05-2009, 03:08 PM	#2
Mike_In_HD Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Ohio Blu-ray collection:969	Everything I read about this movie is that it has superb PQ... Does this depend on one's BD player?

01-05-2009, 03:17 PM	#4
Mike_In_HD Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Ohio Blu-ray collection:969	It's actually the opposite of "so clear"... It's mucky... shadowy. Strange lighting. Only a few BDs I've seen do this. And there's also a strange "orb" that shows up around faces and such during animated scenes. Is this an issue with my Sharp BD player, or is this an actual transfer issue?

01-05-2009, 03:32 PM	#6
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	According to my friend who worked on the VFX for Spidey 1 and 2, the final color timing is different from how the shots were originally spec'd, and that's hardly an uncommon occurance. Also "a 98% successful CG shot of something that could happen in real life is always going to be more "realistic" than a 98% of something unreal like webslinging, because your brain knows one can happen and one can not" Brother's Grimm was also fairly low budget for what it is

01-05-2009, 08:29 PM	#7
waaimasjien. Active Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Netherlands	Wouldn't those effects look fake in the cinema too, then? I mean, the resolution you get there is quite a bit higher, yet I don't remember noticing any seriously fake looking CGI when I saw either Spidey or Brothers Grimm at the movies...

01-05-2009, 08:56 PM	#8
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	The different color timing exposes it. Video and film are very different in how they display, and it was not re-timed for video

01-13-2009, 01:22 AM	#9
McKellars Senior Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, Michigan Blu-ray collection:24	I have noticed this as well on a few BD's. I must say that it is one of the few things that worry me about The Lord of the Rings coming to BD.