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Old 03-21-2015, 12:16 AM   #1
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i have the definitive clr 2300 center and would like to stay with definitive, can you guys recommended a center that will be noticeably better. but not to crazy in price. also i will like some suggestion about maybe moving to a differnet company for a center channel, thanks
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:32 PM   #2
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What are your LR fronts ? front stage needs to be timbre matched, stay
with same line up. I have polk RTI a9's fronts I had choice between
Polk Csi a6 or Csi a4, I went 6. Come correct or not at all
Yamaha RX A820 receiver--Polk RTI A9 fronts
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:04 PM   #3
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Come correct or not at all
Wow! Just a tad elitist, aren't you? There have been any number of conversations here where folks have mixed and matched the front stage with excellent results. I use DCM Time Windows for front L/R with Klipsch Reference center and surrounds, and I am quite satisfied. In a perfect world with unlimited funds in a dedicated room perhaps you're correct, but most folks are not in that position, and personally I will never replace the Time Windows. It is also quite possible that upgrading the center will give the OP ideas about what to upgrade next. Since the center handles most of the sound in any surround system, that is the place to start. I love the Klipsch Reference sound and the OP does not need to buy the newest line to get good results. A bit of research and a little time on ebay may give him the platform for the next steps. Perhaps you could be more helpful and less condescending in the future. And to the OP, feel free to ask questions or PM me. Good luck.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:52 PM   #4
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Wow! Just a tad elitist, aren't you? There have been any number of conversations here where folks have mixed and matched the front stage with excellent results. I use DCM Time Windows for front L/R with Klipsch Reference center and surrounds, and I am quite satisfied. In a perfect world with unlimited funds in a dedicated room perhaps you're correct, but most folks are not in that position, and personally I will never replace the Time Windows. It is also quite possible that upgrading the center will give the OP ideas about what to upgrade next. Since the center handles most of the sound in any surround system, that is the place to start. I love the Klipsch Reference sound and the OP does not need to buy the newest line to get good results. A bit of research and a little time on ebay may give him the platform for the next steps. Perhaps you could be more helpful and less condescending in the future. And to the OP, feel free to ask questions or PM me. Good luck.
Not "elitist"

It is the correct way, all the way back to the ITU standard. If you aren't following the ITU guidelines, you are doing it wrong.

Time Windows without a DCM SurroundScape Center?

My living room set up is...

DCM TF600, 350, KX(6 I think) wides with a SurroundScape.

So yes, knowing the OP's LR speakers would help. Maybe he has individually sold speakers. Which would lend the advice to...

Simply buy a 3rd one.
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:16 PM   #5
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Not "elitist"

It is the correct way, all the way back to the ITU standard. If you aren't following the ITU guidelines, you are doing it wrong.

Time Windows without a DCM SurroundScape Center?

My living room set up is...

DCM TF600, 350, KX(6 I think) wides with a SurroundScape.

So yes, knowing the OP's LR speakers would help. Maybe he has individually sold speakers. Which would lend the advice to...

Simply buy a 3rd one.
And if you read my post I acknowledged that. However, the comment "come correct or not at all" IS rude and condescending, and that is the quote I reacted to.
I have not heard new DCM speakers for several years. The ones I heard some time back could not hold a candle to the clean, clear soundstage provided by the Time Windows. They were fine speakers that I could have been happy with, if I was not familiar with the Time Windows. My point is that to tell someone not to bother if they can not, for whatever reason, meet the "standard" is not helpful. Many people start with what they can afford and upgrade piece by piece from there. As long as they are getting pleasure from what they have it's ok. If you can start at the top, go for it. If not, aspire to it. But, do try to enjoy yourself along the way.
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:28 PM   #6
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My TF are circa 1987(??).

Granted the SurroundScape doesn't come up for sale often.

But there are easy to follow directions to make one. Since it is coaxial(how MTM ever became de rigueur for centers, I haven't a clue) it is easy to build.

If...you have woodworking skills.

Back to the OP.

Always.....always....

Go for the largest center speaker you can afford/have room for...

Nobody has ever said....

"My center speaker is too big" (provided they the had a spot to put it...)
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:51 PM   #7
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My TF are circa 1987(??).


Always.....always....

Go for the largest center speaker you can afford/have room for...

Nobody has ever said....

"My center speaker is too big" (provided they the had a spot to put it...)
And that I agree with 100%!
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Old 03-22-2015, 09:01 PM   #8
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i have the definitive clr 2300 center and would like to stay with definitive, can you guys recommended a center that will be noticeably better. but not to crazy in price. also i will like some suggestion about maybe moving to a differnet company for a center channel, thanks
http://www.magnepan.com/model_MMGW
I have an older model of this.
By flanking the mono centre channel on either side of the screen it opens the centre channel sound stage.
You do need a good amp to drive them though, or you can bi-amp them with a stereo amp like I did, which has served me quite well.

The sound from Magnepnans is really quite astonishing.
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Old 03-23-2015, 06:27 PM   #9
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Back to the OP.

Always.....always....

Go for the largest center speaker you can afford/have room for...

Nobody has ever said....

"My center speaker is too big" (provided they the had a spot to put it...)

That's a fact! The center channel is of utmost importance

I had the best center Def Tech put out at the time....think it was the clr3000.
The dialogue is crystal clear, but the built in sub is a joke. ( overpriced in my opinion. )

I'd look to audition more speakers....If possible ensure that the front soundstage is timbre matched. Good luck!!!
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Old 03-23-2015, 06:49 PM   #10
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i have the definitive clr 2300 center and would like to stay with definitive, can you guys recommended a center that will be noticeably better. but not to crazy in price. also i will like some suggestion about maybe moving to a differnet company for a center channel, thanks
If you're satisfied with the performance of your current Definitive Technology speaker(s), then why not purchase another Definitive Techology center channel speaker, within your price range. Personally, I wouldn't change the brand if you like Definitive Technology.
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Old 04-05-2015, 07:29 PM   #11
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If you're satisfied with the performance of your current Definitive Technology speaker(s), then why not purchase another Definitive Technology center channel speaker, within your price range. Personally, I wouldn't change the brand if you like Definitive Technology.

That's the most logical way to go....upgrade to the CS-8080HD and you should be more than satisfied

I think that would be your BEST option.

Cheers!
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