Why is Alexander only in DD?

[scrumptious]

This is a recent movie that would benefit a lot from a lossless track. When do you think they will do a proper release for this one?

[jw]

ITS AN early release from WB, they are getting better now

[space-monkey]

Because it's an abortion of a movie, and they didn't want take the time.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by scrumptious

This is a recent movie that would benefit a lot from a lossless track. When do you think they will do a proper release for this one?

WB had a losy record for releasing titles with DD only. That and the fact that the movie is super long, HD DVD's 30G would probably not hold the film with lossless.

[DBlockAllDay]

Originally Posted by space-monkey

Because it's an abortion of a movie, and they didn't want take the time.

It is but Rosario Dawson...

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

WB had a losy record for releasing titles with DD only. That and the fact that the movie is super long, HD DVD's 30G would probably not hold the film with lossless.

Indeed... HD-DVD to BD port. Thankfully those days are over. Maybe one day we will get a new transfer.

The movie is not quite as bad as some paint it, but it is a very uneven piece of work.

[Octavio]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

Indeed... HD-DVD to BD port. Thankfully those days are over. Maybe one day we will get a new transfer.

The movie is not quite as bad as some paint it, but it is a very uneven piece of work.

This movie doesn't need a new transfer. The PQ is simply breathtaking. I cannot imagine Alexander looking better on BD.
In the other hand the AQ could be improved. However the DD track sounds really good considering its limitations.

Alexander have been critically maligned and IMO highly underrated. It's far from being a masterpiece but it's not nearly as bad as some people suggest.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by space-monkey

Because it's an abortion of a movie, and they didn't want take the time.

That is an absolutely false statement. Alexander ranks among some of the most underrated and misunderstood films in recent history. It was a strong effort by all invovled and a damn fine film. The Blu-ray was extremely well done as well. I'm proud to have this title in my Blu-ray library.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Octavio

This movie doesn't need a new transfer. The PQ is simply breathtaking. I cannot imagine Alexander looking better on BD.
In the other hand the AQ could be improved. However the DD track sounds really good considering its limitations.

Alexander have been critically maligned and IMO highly underrated. It's far from being a masterpiece but it's not nearly as bad as some people suggest.

That's what I mean... It was a HD-DVD port. Had it been a proper BD optimized transfer (like the reference "How the west was won" of a similar length) it could have been so much better and not stuck over 2 discs.

So yes... I can imagine it being better.

[Octavio]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

That's what I mean... It was a HD-DVD port. Had it been a proper BD optimized transfer (like the reference "How the west was won" of a similar length) it could have been so much better and not stuck over 2 discs.

So yes... I can imagine it being better.

The PQ hardly could be improved on this format. Not only in this site but everywhere Alexander's PQ have received the highest ratings.
Bluray.com 4.5/5
High-def Digest 5/5
DVD Beaver 9/10

The AQ is another story, yes it could be improved. However the DD track is not bad at all. It sounds really good.

BTW The movie have been splitted in 2 discs BECAUSE Oliver Stone wanted this movie to be presented in that way! Haven't you watched the BD?
If my memory serves me well Oliver Stone explains it in the very introduction!

He [Oliver Stone] explains his inclusion of an intermission (and the subsequent division of the film onto two discs) on the Revisited cut as a throwback to the golden age of cinema. Format loyalists who have posted rants about this specific topic can lower their knives -- 'Alexander Revisited' is being presented on multiple discs simply because Oliver Stone wanted it that way.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/243/...revisited.html

[Dreedree]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

That's what I mean... It was a HD-DVD port. Had it been a proper BD optimized transfer (like the reference "How the west was won" of a similar length) it could have been so much better and not stuck over 2 discs.

So yes... I can imagine it being better.

The version I have, is a ONE disc version.
I even didn't know that there was a two-disc version.
Maybe it is only here in Europe as a one-disc version.

The movie is 3 hours 13 minutes long with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 sound.
I think it is a great movie.

Can someone point out where (when) the movie should be split?
If it was Oliver Stone's idea to split the movie, who am i to not watch it like that.

Reminds me of the movie Cleopatra (the one with Liz Taylor), which had a real "Intermission" (and Overture btw)

Just my 2 €-cents

[Octavio]

Originally Posted by Dreedree

The version I have, is a ONE disc version.
I even didn't know that there was a two-disc version.
Maybe it is only here in Europe as a one-disc version.

The movie is 3 hours 13 minutes long with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 sound.
I think it is a great movie.

Can someone point out where (when) the movie should be split?
If it was Oliver Stone's idea to split the movie, who am i to not watch it like that.

Reminds me of the movie Cleopatra (the one with Liz Taylor), which had a real "Intermission" (and Overture btw)

Just my 2 €-cents

I think you have the Theatrical Cut which is shorter.
The Final Cut (Aka "Alexander Revisited") is the version released by Warner and IMO the best version of the film. It's 213 min long (3 hrs 33 mins).

Only The Final Cut includes an Intermission, which was nicely added; it ain't intrusive at all. Vangelis beautiful score sounds during the intermission.


I didn't know about another version of Alexander being released on Blu-ray.
Does it includes the same supplements than the Final Cut?

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Octavio

The PQ hardly could be improved on this format. Not only in this site but everywhere Alexander's PQ have received the highest ratings.
Bluray.com 4.5/5
High-def Digest 5/5
DVD Beaver 9/10

The AQ is another story, yes it could be improved. However the DD track is not bad at all. It sounds really good.

BTW The movie have been splitted in 2 discs BECAUSE Oliver Stone wanted its movie to be presented in that way! Haven't you watched the BD?
If my memory serves me well Oliver Stone explains it in the very introduction!

He [Oliver Stone] explains his inclusion of an intermission (and the subsequent division of the film onto two discs) on the Revisited cut as a throwback to the golden age of cinema. Format loyalists who have posted rants about this specific topic can lower their knives -- 'Alexander Revisited' is being presented on multiple discs simply because Oliver Stone wanted it that way.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/243/...revisited.html

I'm making no bones about the intermission. Lots of longer movies have an intermission. So if OS wanted it that way.. fine, I have no quibbles at all. However the version I have (the final cut) is split on 2 discs at the intermission. This is obviously the correct point to split over 2 discs, but this has more to do with the HD-DVD than the directors wishes.

Dances with Wolves is 234 minutes long (with an intermission) with 7.1 DTS-HD in English and German and manages to fit on one BD50.

So I stand by my opinion that this title is compromised by being a HD-DVD to BD port. The likes of which we are thankfully rid of these days.

[Dreedree]

Originally Posted by Octavio

I think you have the Theatrical Cut which is shorter.
The Final Cut (Aka "Alexander Revisited") is the version released by Warner and IMO the best version of the film. It's 213 min long (3 hrs 33 mins).

Only The Final Cut includes an Intermission, which was nicely added; it ain't intrusive at all. Vangelis beautiful score sounds during the intermission.


I didn't know about another version of Alexander being released on Blu-ray.
Does it includes the same supplements than the Final Cut?

I was mistaken, I do have the "Final Cut" version "Alexander:Revisited"
It takes 213 minutes or 3 hours 33 minutes, and not (as I stated) 3 hours 13 minuten. Sorry for the confusion made.

As for your question: there are NO extra's at all on this release.

Again, sorry for the mistakes.

[Octavio]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

I'm making no bones about the intermission. Lots of longer movies have an intermission. So if OS wanted it that way.. fine, I have no quibbles at all. However the version I have (the final cut) is split on 2 discs at the intermission. This is obviously the correct point to split over 2 discs, but this has more to do with the HD-DVD than the directors wishes.

Dances with Wolves is 234 minutes long (with an intermission) with 7.1 DTS-HD in English and German and manages to fit on one BD50.

So I stand by my opinion that this title is compromised by being a HD-DVD to BD port. The likes of which we are thankfully rid of these days.

If you say so

I repeat, have you ever listened Oliver Stone's reasons to split the Movie in two discs?
So you are right and he's wrong, right?

BTW How on earth affects you to make a pause in order to change a disc after 2 hours of watching this 3 1/2 hour epic? I am sure (most) people won't care at all; actually lots of them will use the intermission to stretch their legs, prepare some snacks, beverages, smoke a cigar, to use the W.C. etc. Just like in the old days at Movie Theaters. Which was Mr. Stone's intention.

If you don't like Alexander, that's fine, you are not alone there. Many people dislikes it for different reasons:
Some don't like it because they hate Oliver Stone and everything he shoots.
Some because of its homoerotic overtones. "Certain" groups can't grasp the fact that Alexander had lovers who happened to be males (something normal amongst ancient greeks).
Some because it's too long for their taste.
Some simply because it's not an action packed flick like 300 or Troy, where BTW the "relationship" between Patroclus and Achilles have been radically changed in order to make it appealing to a broader (more conservative) audience. I.e. In Homer's Iliad they were lovers while in Troy they are mere cousins! C'mon!
Some folks hates Alexander, believe it or not, simply because he's depicted as a blonde dude (which he was) arguing that EVERY greek MUST be dark not blonde, therefore a blonde Alexander must be a Hollywood invention
Finally some (not the majority I'm afraid) don't like it because they honestly think it's a bad movie.

But many aren't agree on that, including me. To each his own.
However if you keep bashing Alexander because according to you it's a BAD Blu-ray, you are gettin' into deep waters. Not only the PQ is AMAZING. The audio track ain't lossless perhaps, but it's a damn good audio track according to most reviewers and BD enthusiasts. Plus the supplements are also top notch.

I mean, if you like Alexander (and I'll assume that's the reason why you own it on BD) There is little to complain about. Yeah the audio could be a bit better but that's all.
In the other hand if you hate the movie, why to buy it in the first place?
Don't you like your BD copy? Sell it or trade it. As simple as that.

I rest my case.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by scrumptious

This is a recent movie that would benefit a lot from a lossless track. When do you think they will do a proper release for this one?

The will probably re-release it eventually, but it probably won't be anytime soon.

[sfmarine]

WB released many of their early blu-rays with a Dolby track. The Departed is another one that makes me angry. Alexander Revisited is a fine film. A lot of people knocked it but Stone really put a lot of his soul into the movie. Revisited is the cut you want to see. It looks great on blu. The reason for the 2 disk set is because Oliver is a bit of a movie buff...he enjoyed seeing movies as a child and films like Ben-Hur had an intermission. So after 2 hours of seeing Alexander, you need a little break to take in what you just saw. Pop in the next disk and you're off. I don't mind it at all and I think it's a very underrated film. Not to mention it comes with a nice array of bonus features to boot.