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Originally Posted by Resettito
Don't bother, you just don't get what I mean, there are some movies that are INHERENTLY good, you can say you don't like those movies, but it doesn't change the fact that they are objectively good. Now I can see you're going to ask me "but what qualifies you or other persons to say what is good or bad?", to that, I'll say: knowledge, knowledge of cinema, movies, or filmmaking in general.
It's easy to understand, you go at the movies, you see those average moviegoers who go see only silly blockbusters or shitty movies and who just don't "get" other kinds of movies, if you have no knowledge of movies, and what good movies are, how can you judge?
You're not gonna ask a guy who doesnt know anything about movies, who just goes to the movie theater to watch movies like Ghost Rider or Transformers and shit what he thinks of There Will Be Blood, or Life Of Pi, or The Master, or Citizen Kane, whatever (on the top of my head).
DAMN, I don't want to sound condescending (and I will), but I can't make it any clearer than that.
Take an example, a guy like Jim Cameron would be more qualified than any of us to judge a movie, and it would make sense no?
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The problem with your argument is that you're not saying what you think you're saying. What you're trying to argue that the prevailing thought among most people, including critics and film-making professionals, is that the movies you're talking about are good movies. When worded that way, that phrase is a fact. Most people would agree that those are considered to be good movies, and you could find definitive documentation to back that up.
But that doesn't make the prevailing thought innately right or wrong. A few hundred years ago, the prevailing thought was that the earth was flat. That didn't make it any more right. To give a more relevant example, there have been plenty of movies that, upon their initial release, were viewed as mediocre to bad, but over time have developed into being seen as some of the best movies of their time. Why the change in the perception of those films as good or bad? Opinions changed as the times changed, and so did the prevailing perception of whether something is good or bad.
So, in short:
Correct: Stating that a specific movie is widely regarded by experts and/or laymen as being good or bad is a fact. This statement can be backed up with specific figures to prove that it is indeed true.
Incorrect: Stating that because a movie is widely regarded by experts and/or laymen as being good or bad, that makes the movie definitively good or bad. There is no way to back this up with specific figures or facts, because it's entirely based on interpretation and opinion. Subjectivity is inherent to all forms of art, including film.