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Originally Posted by space-monkey
I think it's one thing if it's intended for a certain look, like in 300, or some of Spielberg's recent films (SPR, War of the Worlds, Munich). But if DNR is used to make an image look as clean as possible on a home format, and the source wasn't intended to be noticeably grainy, I'm okay with it.
The thing about grain is that, on a big screen, you can't notice it much. When you shrink that, it becomes more concentrated and noticeable. That's the issue.
Patton is not meant to look grainy, it's just not. The DNR is just fine.
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This statement is entirely misguided-- it is the exact opposite. Grain and film detail is MUCH more noticable on a correctly set up larger screen than it is on a smaller screen. Smaller screens hide the faults of the image much, much better. That is why Rob Harris' comment on the "9-10" rating on Patton on small screens and "0" rating on large screen makes sense.
The bottom line here is that, yes, the image from the BD is very good, much better than anything we've had previous. But, it is not an accurate representation of the original film. On a large screen, the image is very pretty until you appreciate the loss of texture detail, then it becomes distracting and artificial. The images could be better, and enthusiasts have constructively expressed that to the powers-that-be in the studios-- this is a done deal per Penton Man, and as he states, there is no need to beat the studios over the head on this issue-- they know.
I agree that there is no need for some of the fire and brimstone rhetoric on this title, but is it such a big problem to give constructive criticism on a title for future improvements? Enthusiasts in the know are wondering why DNR was needed for a this title when the grain structure of the original 65mm master is inherently fine.
We are all trying to improve the medium, and discussing these issues on a public forum is not a bad way to bring improvements. Discussion of the problems with the original
The Fifth Element transfer and the misframing issue on
POTC: COTBP brought those problems to light and brought the improvements we have on those titles.
Patton BD is not a bad title to own, and I do-- but great as it is, it could have been better.
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