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Old 06-19-2008, 04:14 AM   #19
JadedRaverLA JadedRaverLA is offline
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Originally Posted by tron3 View Post
... if only to shut Toshiba up and beat them at their own game. They lost the war and now are playing politics in an effort to hurt blu-ray sales.
The game is already won, and on our terms (TRUE HD media). What's the point in licensing technology from Toshiba to include in a format that said company fought against (and continues to do so).

Originally Posted by tron3 View Post
Sure, our BD players offer up conversion now, but with exception of the PS3, most of it is pretty lack luster.
Personally, I would place the Samsung BD-P1200 and Denon DVD-3800BDCI way above the PS3... both of which use Silicon Optix chipsets for scaling. Toshiba has yet to put SRT up against Silicon Optix or similar quality scaling chips from Anchor Bay, Sigma Designs, etc. They also have not shown it alongside a TRUE HD source. Wonder why?

Originally Posted by tron3 View Post
So, improve the up conversion ability of blu-ray players. Consumers will be happier, have a better product, and Toshiba will finally have to shut up. Better yet, license the Toshiba technology since it is so good. Maybe being part of blu-ray indirectly will help them warm up to it.
I'm all for including better upconversion of DVD sources within BD players, but why on earth would anyone in the BDA want to put even more money in Toshiba's pocket? (They already are paying for DVD playback functionality.) As for the "since it's so good" bit, just because something is being marketed as the "second coming" doesn't mean it actually is. SuperResolution technology and algoirthms have been around for a long time now... it's definitely not anything Toshiba created. They just rewrote the algorithms to take advantage of the Cell processor.

At any rate, SuperResolution technology is great at certain things... but it requires each successive shot to be taken from a very slightly different position than the last in order to potentially get a slightly different image than was captured in the previous frame. That's why it is used by NASA to take higher resolution still photos of deep space objects. By moving the camera position very slightly between each frame they can capture additional data that can be used to approximate a higher resolution single image.

Obviosuly, on DVD (or SDTV) that's not normally the case. You can analyze the surrounding frames for additional information, but if the camera is stationary, there's really not going to be much additional information to get. At BEST, SuperResolution applied to video like this can be marginally better than other forms of upscaling that analyze only the current frame. Toshiba's implementation might be that good, but since they have only showed it up against an SD image, I'm betting that they are going to be lucky to achieve Silicon Optix/Anchor Bay/Signma Designs quality results under the best of circumstances.

Regardless of the final product they deliver, they'll never be anywhere close to actual Blu-ray quality and their development efforts on this front are just an attempt to delay the inevitable transition to the technology they have no IP interest in.
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Last edited by JadedRaverLA; 06-19-2008 at 04:36 AM.
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