Pioneer PDP-6010FD vs. PRO-150FD

[sarnell2]

Anyone know the difference between the two (besides price)???

[gvortex7]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

Anyone know the difference between the two (besides price)???

The Pro series is an Elite model, the other isn't. I would always pick an Elite Pioneer over its standard counterpart.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by gvortex7

The Pro series is an Elite model, the other isn't. I would always pick an Elite Pioneer over its standard counterpart.

I should have mentioned that I know that the one is Elite and the other isn't. That's what I'm looking for. What makes the PRO model Elite over the PDP?

[T-Town Oil]

did you compare specs?

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

did you compare specs?

Yea of course. They're both 1080p/24 60" Plasmas. Contrast Ratio is unknown for both. Both came out in Sept of '07

[dobyblue]

The important functionality that both have is the following:

Pioneer KURO 1080p models:

Video signals supported

• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz

PC signals supported

• 640 x 480 (VGA) 60 Hz
• 800 x 600 (SVGA) 60 Hz
• 1024 x 768 (XGA) 60 Hz
• 1360 x 768 (Wide - XGA) 60 Hz
• 1280 x 1024 (SXGA) 60 Hz

ELITE KURO 1080p models:

Video signals supported

• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz

PC signals supported

• 640 x 480 (VGA) 60 Hz
• 800 x 600 (SVGA) 60 Hz
• 1024 x 768 (XGA) 60 Hz
• 1360 x 768 (Wide - XGA) 60 Hz
• 1280 x 1024 (SXGA) 60 Hz

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The important functionality that both have is the following:

Pioneer KURO 1080p models:

Video signals supported

• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz

PC signals supported

• 640 x 480 (VGA) 60 Hz
• 800 x 600 (SVGA) 60 Hz
• 1024 x 768 (XGA) 60 Hz
• 1360 x 768 (Wide - XGA) 60 Hz
• 1280 x 1024 (SXGA) 60 Hz

ELITE KURO 1080p models:

Video signals supported

• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz

PC signals supported

• 640 x 480 (VGA) 60 Hz
• 800 x 600 (SVGA) 60 Hz
• 1024 x 768 (XGA) 60 Hz
• 1360 x 768 (Wide - XGA) 60 Hz
• 1280 x 1024 (SXGA) 60 Hz

So basically they're the exact same??? One just costs 1K more?

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

So basically they're the exact same??? One just costs 1K more?

actually if you compare the specs side by side (I did once looking this same question up for my father), you'll notice that there are very few differences...such as on the Elite, it has extra "Color Temp Adjustment" settings, "ISFccc Calibration Ready" , New Independant Gamma Control (R/G/B), 9 options for viewing preferences (instead of 6), Intelligent Mode...'etc'

You basically have to pull up both specs side by side and compare...but as Doby pointed out, they both support 1080p/24Hz.

Me personally, I think the 6010 still kicks ass, and I dont think youd be missing anything important. Yeah Elites are nice...but I didnt read much to warrant an extra $1000, again, thats just my oppinion.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

actually if you compare the specs side by side (I did once looking this same question up for my father), you'll notice that there are very few differences...such as on the Elite, it has extra "Color Temp Adjustment" settings, "ISFccc Calibration Ready" , New Independant Gamma Control (R/G/B), 9 options for viewing preferences (instead of 6), Intelligent Mode...'etc'

You basically have to pull up both specs side by side and compare...but as Doby pointed out, they both support 1080p/24Hz.

Me personally, I think the 6010 still kicks ass, and I dont think youd be missing anything important. Yeah Elites are nice...but I didnt read much to warrant an extra $1000, again, thats just my oppinion.

Awesome! Yea, I think you're right. I found the 6010 here for $4629 after shipping! -> http://www.lcdtvs.com/lcd/product.as...zmap=PDP6010FD

Anyone able to find a better price for either?

[clarkbar]

The Elites downloadable spec sheet lists all the exclusive features with an E, plus you always get the Elites 2-year warranty standard.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by clarkbar

The Elites downloadable spec sheet lists all the exclusive features with an E, plus you always get the Elites 2-year warranty standard.

Thanks! I don't think I need anything the Elite has to offer. Anyone have experience with either TV?

[sokrman14]

I have actually had training on both models from the vendors....The Elite model has a deeper cell structure, allowing for more gas to be filled in the cells which makes the picture richer. Also the cells act like a shotgun, versus a sawed off shotgun, the light path is straighter and doesnt "spray", making sure that the picture doesnt bleed into the other cells as much. Also a more advance video processor allows for even deeper blacks, brighter whites, etc. The video processor also makes SD broadcasting looker better. It has a cable card slot, im not sure about the standard model. Hope this helps. It is a lot better set, worth more than 1k extra to me.

[T-Town Oil]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

Awesome! Yea, I think you're right. I found the 6010 here for $4629 after shipping! -> http://www.lcdtvs.com/lcd/product.as...zmap=PDP6010FD

Anyone able to find a better price for either?

let me know how it works out for you. ive been toying with the idea of the pioneer of panasonic 58.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by oneaaron

The standard model has a cable card slot... The elite has PIP with mediacenter through the ethernet port. The standard model does not have a ethernet port... I'm on the fence too...

Is the Media Center through an ethernet port necessary when you can connect your PC to the TV directly? I've found the 6010 on a few sites for around $4,600 (including Shipping), but I'm having trouble finding the PRO 150 for less than $6,000. It's hard to justify that extra $1,500 (unless the money doesn't really matter). If anyone has heard that the 150 significantly outperforms the 6010 I'd consider it.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

let me know how it works out for you. ive been toying with the idea of the pioneer of panasonic 58.

If I end up ordering, I'll let you know right away how it is. I'm going to check out Best Buy to see if they have it on display.

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by oneaaron

Well conneting your pc to the tv is not like Home Media Gallery... IP Network Compatibility Designed to DLNA Guidelines: Enables a link with a networked PC to share content via Ethernet connection, including movies (even HD movie content), music and photos.
Microsoft PlaysForSure™ Protected Content: No-hassle playback of Microsoft PlaysForSure audio or video content downloaded from the web and stored on personal computers, via an existing home network system.2
Supported Formats:
Video: WMV9, MPEG1, MPEG2-PS, MPEG2-TS, MPEG-ASP
Audio: LPCM, MP3, WMA, WMA9 PRO, AC3, AAC, WAV
Photos: JPG, TIF, PNG, BMP, GIF

You can't do PIP with the pc input but with the Home Media Gallery you can.... I'm not sure I would use it, watching a football game then looking for some file on my pc at the same time.

Yea I know what you mean. I just meant that if you connect your PC to the TV you can watch any video/picture/audio you'd ever want (and you don't have to worry about the capabilities of your network in doing so). I work in IT and I've never heard of Microsoft PlaysForSure, but it doesn't sound like anything I'm interested in. I couldn't imagine needing PIP for PC content (or at least that being worth $1500).

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by oneaaron

Oh and on the price side. I found a place that has it for $5555 for the Elite, and $4335 for the other one. Also should be noted that there is no warranty on these TV if you buy it online.... JR here in the city has the PDP6010FD for $4800 with a warranty..

Wow! Can you give me the link??

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by oneaaron

For witch one the BM or the online one...

Can you give me the link for the Elite and Regular? I might also take a trip to JR...I'm only 25 min from the city.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

Wow! Can you give me the link??

Plasma concepts has the 50" for $3495 and the 60" for $4495 both with warranty.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

Awesome! Yea, I think you're right. I found the 6010 here for $4629 after shipping! -> http://www.lcdtvs.com/lcd/product.as...zmap=PDP6010FD

Anyone able to find a better price for either?

DO NOT order from them OR - do it at your own risk.
It's another name for best buy plasma - here is their BB report

http://www.newyork.bbb.org/reports/b...pid=44&id=4046

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They also list the 6010 as having an MSRP of $10,000 which is frikkin' ridiculous.

Go with someone you know is good, like JR, Value Electronics or Plasma Concepts, etc.