Blu-ray Movies with 7.1 Audio?

[Sammy]

Is there a comprehesive list of blu-ray with 7.1 audio?

Is this finally being used by the studios? Last month was Sound of Music / Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and this month is Shrek.

Are there any others of which I am not awhere?

[Jim Shorts]

Toy Story 3 & Beauty and the Beast are recent Disney releases with 7.1

Lions Gate movies are pretty much all in 7.1

We also have this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...cordingly.html

[Sammy]

That's it. I did a search but it didn't come up but I think I was filtering by movies and not forum. Thanks.

[HD Goofnut]

I just wanted to point out that for titles not originally recorded in 7.1, which is virtually all of them, can be made 7.1 easily if you have a capable receiver. All you have to do is set your receiver to Pro Logic IIz whenever it receives the signal to play DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM in 5.1. It will then take that 5.1 mix and matrix it to 7.1, which is exactly what most 7.1 mixes on BD are anyway. The only true 7.1 mix I know of on BD is Toy Story 3 because it was originally recorded in 7.1.

[JediFonger]

recorded probably isn't the correct term, mixed is more accurate. on the film set most microphones are mono. then sound elements are built up and mixed into 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc. how films are intended or mixed into, is what counts.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JediFonger

recorded probably isn't the correct term, mixed is more accurate. on the film set most microphones are mono. then sound elements are built up and mixed into 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc. how films are intended or mixed into, is what counts.

You typed all that because I used the word recorded instead of mixed? Here I was thinking that I was bored today.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

You typed all that because I used the word recorded instead of mixed? Here I was thinking that I was bored today.

I believe that there is a difference. A movie can have several tracks recorded but those can be re-mixed into whatever output desired. My receiver does the matrixing but that is really just putting the side audio track into both the side and rear speakers. Mixing, on the other hand, can make a more robust and directional soundstage because it is not just redirected on the fly but (sometimes) carefully chosen as to which speaker the sound comes.

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I just wanted to point out that for titles not originally recorded in 7.1, which is virtually all of them, can be made 7.1 easily if you have a capable receiver. All you have to do is set your receiver to Pro Logic IIz whenever it receives the signal to play DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM in 5.1. It will then take that 5.1 mix and matrix it to 7.1, which is exactly what most 7.1 mixes on BD are anyway. The only true 7.1 mix I know of on BD is Toy Story 3 because it was originally recorded in 7.1.

You should read this because you are WRONG!!!!

Discrete 7.1 with DTS HD MA

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ogenakker/5476

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

You should read this because you are WRONG!!!!

Discrete 7.1 with DTS HD MA

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ogenakker/5476

How am I wrong? They take a 5.1 mix and remix it for 7.1. That's exactly what I said in my above post.

[Sammy]

Like I said:

The truth is it's different with every film -- some changes are drastic and others quite sparse -- but at the end of the day, Blu-ray audiences are getting 7.1 discretely mixed channels where even the "enhanced" version mentioned above is much more accurate then any audio-processing software built into the most sophisticated receivers. In fact, Tim even checks, running his discrete 7.1 mixes against 5.1 in Pro Logic IIx (creating a matrixed 7.1) and to his expert ears, there's no contest. Hopefully, dear reader, you are no longer feeling cheated by any of your 7.1 Blu-rays. They are discrete, to one degree or another, and have been that way since the beginning. That's not to say in the 5.1 world, Pro Logic IIx and IIz don't have their benefits or uses -- they clearly do -- but then again, who listens to Stereo Surround when there's a discrete 5.1 mix available.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Jim Shorts

Toy Story 3 & Beauty and the Beast are recent Disney releases with 7.1

Lions Gate movies are pretty much all in 7.1

We also have this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...cordingly.html

And I even own Toy Story. I bought it at Target with the $5 off coupon they had in the newspaper a couple of weeks back while buying a bunch of other stuff. It promptly went on the shelf next to the other two and I didn't even look at the the specs or read the review here!!! It's coming off the shelf tonight so I can listen to... I mean watch... it.

[Waboman]

Lionsgate is good at releasing their blu's in 7.1 DTS-HD MA. The most recent of which is The Expendables.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

You should read this because you are WRONG!!!!

Discrete 7.1 with DTS HD MA

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ogenakker/5476

It maybe just the way there mixed,but i don't hear a big difference so far with 7.1, which is why maybe some studios don't care. I also think Goofnut may be right. If we have been hearing true 7.1 all along then why is Dolby just now making a big deal with there ''TRUE 7.1 trailer! The question is are our 7.1 receivers at this point able to do a true stereo rear back channels. My onkyo 606 says the back rear channels are matrix channels. I work with recording prodution software and matrix means fake stereo, not true stereo like the front L&R channels. It maybe mixed discrete, but i think our receivers back rear channels are mono. Also Dolbys website use to show you that rear back channels even with Dolby true hd can be set up 6.1 or 7.1 ,but theres no difference in sound between the two. If the back rear channals were true stereo, you would notice a big difference. Remember the Pro logic days! The fronts were true 2 channal stereo, the rear surrounds were matrix[ mono']! The added depth is because of cues off the front channels , sounds were sent to the rears. When 5.1 came in ,now we had Front L&R , stereo , center mono and L&R surround, true stereo and you heard a big differece over pro logic. Id bet good money at this point you are not hearing stereo back rear surrounds for 7.1 channels, I don't think our receivers playing back a movie on bd or dvd can do stereo back channals. That was an interesting piece from pop sounds , but a little misleading. Even if pop or other studios doing movie sound tracks can convert mono to stereo, every receiver i have seen can't play it back that way.At least the back rear channels.

[MelloFellow13]

Sometimes not even the theatrical mix is in 7.1.

You can do search using the blu-ray.com database search. Here's a link using just "7.1" in the Audio field:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/searc...&action=search

[Sammy]

Seven discrete channels is not mono in the rears and a seven discrete channel track is different than matrixing the side channel into the side and rear channels in the AVR from a five discrete channel track through a prologic algarithm.

I have a hard time seeing how one of the people in the industry that actually creates the dts encodes for blu ray releases could have it wrong.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Sammy

I believe that there is a difference. A movie can have several tracks recorded but those can be re-mixed into whatever output desired. My receiver does the matrixing but that is really just putting the side audio track into both the side and rear speakers. Mixing, on the other hand, can make a more robust and directional soundstage because it is not just redirected on the fly but (sometimes) carefully chosen as to which speaker the sound comes.

But understand the back rears maybe matrixed but are they true stereo like the fronts and main surrounds? Answer NO! Thats all GOOFNUT was pointing out.

[Sammy]

When a 5.1 track is matrixed to 7.1 then no there is no separation. But a track that is mixed and then encoded in 7.1 then yes it is stereo. It all goes back to how those audio stems from the original recording are dealt with by the sound mixer before encoding.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Sammy

Seven discrete channels is not mono in the rears and a seven discrete channel track is different than matrixing the side channel into the side and rear channels in the AVR from a five discrete channel track through a prologic algarithm.

I have a hard time seeing how one of the people in the industry that actually creates the dts encodes for blu ray releases could have it wrong.

Sammy all i'm saying is theres a feel to a stereo sound field. I can pan sounds where ever i want within that sound stage. With reverb i can give you depth in that stage or put one sound in the right channel. With 5.1 because the fronts and rear surrounds are stereo, now i can put sounds or music front to back or anywhere in between and it will feel like its where i put it. With the back rears i'm not hearing that or feeling that. All i'm saying is it has a very mono feel to it. If it is true stereo, the studios are not using it yet to get that 3d feel like the other channels have.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Sammy

When a 5.1 track is matrixed to 7.1 then no there is no separation. But a track that is mixed and then encoded in 7.1 then yes it is stereo. It all goes back to how those audio stems from the original recording are dealt with by the sound mixer before encoding.

Sammy i get you. And i get it, but was your receiver and mine built to decode it in true stereo? Also the way the back rears are set up you should hear separation from the main surrounds. Whats the point of having 2 more channels if it really does noting to add to the sound over all.

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

How am I wrong? They take a 5.1 mix and remix it for 7.1. That's exactly what I said in my above post.

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I just wanted to point out that for titles not originally recorded in 7.1, which is virtually all of them, can be made 7.1 easily if you have a capable receiver. All you have to do is set your receiver to Pro Logic IIz whenever it receives the signal to play DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM in 5.1. It will then take that 5.1 mix and matrix it to 7.1, which is exactly what most 7.1 mixes on BD are anyway. The only true 7.1 mix I know of on BD is Toy Story 3 because it was originally recorded in 7.1.

That is where U're wrong. The BDs in 7.1 are NOT matrixed.

Originally Posted by Sammy

Seven discrete channels is not mono in the rears and a seven discrete channel track is different than matrixing the side channel into the side and rear channels in the AVR from a five discrete channel track through a prologic algarithm.

I have a hard time seeing how one of the people in the industry that actually creates the dts encodes for blu ray releases could have it wrong.

That is exactly what I'm talking about.