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Old 02-07-2011, 04:04 AM   #1
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Question A Couple Of Questions regarding my HT Issues

FYI

TV: Samsung Series 8
Receiver: Denon 4310ci
Speakers: 5.1 Klipsch
L And R: WF-35's
Center: WC-24
Surrounds: RS-52's

Here are the questions

I think I am having Volume Issues with my receiver When I play a DVD or streaming Netflix it sounds too low is this normal what could it be in order for me to hear the movie I have to put the volume at 71 (which is the limit I set it at)?

2.Can I exchange an HDMI cable I bought from Monoprice?
(ex.HDMI 1.3a > HDMI 1.4)

3. I have a question I have DSL Elite 6.0mbps and Netflix SD Stream is sometimes just has1 line sometimes and HD Streams don't start in HD FYI the Netflix Device Is an Xbox 360 and connected Via Wireless-N the router is a Linksys E3000 does anyone know what is wrong?

Thanks in Advance For Your Replys

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Old 02-07-2011, 05:23 AM   #2
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Volume issue I'm not sure on man, check the settings on the Denon under the speaker settings and see if you can add a few db's to each channel keeping the same ratios that will give you a little more output without having to crank the volume knob but its still the same boat...

I don't believe Monoprice does exchanges but I mean cmon even if you need like 15' its like 6$ man its not that bad.

I had a similar issue with the HD Streaming on my PS3 when I used an online video service. It might have something to do with what the speed limiter on the device settings are. If its throttling bandwidth then chances are you getting SD quality to keep within the parameters....Might be something to check...

Hope something I said is kind of helpful

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Old 02-07-2011, 07:15 AM   #3
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On Volume what do you mean by raising each speaker a few db's but keep within the same ratio I did my auto speaker calibration that's built in to the receiver

Here are the Volume Db's of each speaker as set by the receiver what are your suggestions?

L: -8.5dB

R: -7.5dB

Center: -9.0dB

Surrounds

L: -9.5dB

R: -11.0dB

Sub: - 2.0dB
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:26 AM   #4
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Try boosting each of those to
L:-6.5dB
R:-5.5dB
C:-7.0dB(If the Dialogue in movies comes through fine, if not try bringing it to -5.0 and see if the Dialogue Clarity Increases)
SL:-7.5dB
SR:-9.0dB
Leave the sub alone if it isn't over powering, if its a little over powering it should even out by increasing each channel like this, also give you a little more input at lower volume settings.
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:44 AM   #5
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2.Can I exchange an HDMI cable I bought from Monoprice?
(ex.HDMI 1.3a > HDMI 1.4)
cables are either "standard" or "High Speed"

HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 has nothing to do with the cable, only the connected hdmi devices using hdmi transmitter/receiver chips.

So an exchange would do you no good. Monoprice cables have a lifetime warranty, so yes they would replace them...but again, "High Speed" cable is what you already have, and what you would get in replacement.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:40 PM   #6
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Change the source level playback of your input. In the Denon's menu go to Source Select >Source Level
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:23 PM   #7
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HDMI cables aren't limited to a single version of the HDMI standard, just the bandwidth (high speed / standard speed), and optional features (audio return, networking).
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:00 PM   #8
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I tried adjusting it's channel as suggested and I can still hear the movie if I lower the volume now.

FYI I now could put the receiver at 40 anything below that and the sound is too low so right now the receiver powers on at volume level 50 and could go
up to 61 it is capped at that because I do not want to blow my speakers or go deaf.

FYI 2: so my new settings are as follows

L:-6.5dB
R:-5.5dB
C:-7.0dB(If the Dialogue in movies comes through fine, if not try bringing it to -5.0 and see if the Dialogue Clarity Increases)
SL:-7.5dB
SR:-9.0dB
Sub:-2.0
Leave the sub alone if it isn't over powering, if its a little over powering it should even out by increasing each channel like this, also give you a little more input at lower volume settings.

Somebody else suggested to Adjust the Source level can someone please give me a suggestion of what value I should put each source at?
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:15 PM   #9
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Keep the speaker levels as set by running Audyssey. Change the Source level as needed. You'll have to play with the setting, try +3 and go from there.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:00 AM   #10
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Question About HDMI cables and a Netflix Question

1.So If I exchange an HDMI cable I bought from Monoprice I would not get Version 1.4 only 1.3?

Netflix question

As stated above the Xbox is connected Wireless N I somebody loned me a Linksys E3000 Router a Week later the Linksys E4200 came out

I read up on the Linksys E4200 the 2.4GHZ and the 5GHZ have the same range unlike the E3000 which is limited by the 5GHZ range will buying the Linksys E4200 solve my Netflix Issue?

on the Linksys E3000 I have everything on the 2.4 GHZ band

2 Laptops

1 PS3

1 Xbox 360 (Netflix)

1 Wii

5 PSP's and Nintendo DS's

FYI 1 The Laptops Stay are used alot during the day if not they are in Sleep Mode and the Xbox 360 is used almost 24/7.

FYI 2 I do have QOS enabled but I still have issues as stated in the first post
Both Streaming for SD And HD. The Xbox 360 always has the same IP and the Xbox Live Ports are opened. I even changed some Advanced Wireless Settings as suggested and still nothing?
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:56 AM   #11
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HDMI cables aren't limited to a single version of the HDMI standard, just the bandwidth (high speed / standard speed), and optional features (audio return, networking).
Audio Return Channel (ARC) is not a function of the cable. Any cable will work provided both devices support ARC.
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Old 02-08-2011, 09:02 AM   #12
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1.So If I exchange an HDMI cable I bought from Monoprice I would not get Version 1.4 only 1.3?
As crackinhedz explained, there's no such thing as an HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 cable. There are only two basic types - standard and high speed, which supports 1080p video. That's it. Cables used to be marketed with version numbers, but that practice has been banned by HDMI.

Your current cable is not HDMI 1.3. It's either standard or high speed. If you exchange it, you will not get a 1.3 or 1.4 cable, since those designations do not exist. You will get either a standard or high speed cable, just like you have now.

What are you trying to accomplish?
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:17 PM   #13
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I read up on the E4200 more and I found out that you can't change any advanced wireless Settings and I have good news the person that loaned me the router said I could keep it so I was thinking of moving my router to the living room and connecting the xbox 360 via Ethernet will that solve my Netflix Issues?

If I Place my router on the TV Console in back of my TV will it cause any interference?

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Old 02-10-2011, 09:39 PM   #14
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Question I finally had a Chance Today to look into the Source Level settings as suggested....

I finally had a Chance Today to look into the Source Level settings as suggested I put my Channel Levels Back to what my Receiver had set them I started at 3+dB as the source Level and I raised the Source Level to 6+dB is that too Loud I think it sounds perfect but I don't want to bust my speakers?

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Old 02-11-2011, 10:29 PM   #15
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so is 6+dB too loud or is it a safe level as stated in my question above.

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Nah bud you'll be good. The setup from Klipsch can handle your receivers power no problems. Most speakers can handle more power than an AVR alone can provide before it starts to clip(Distort). You should be just fine with those settings man. You have to realize Reference Level is for most homes very loud and thats what most speakers are built to run at. I believe its at 75dB. On my receiver thats around -19 to -21 and honestly I can't imagine running a whole movie that loud, not for fear of hurting the speakers but for fear of hurting my hearing.

Have fun man, Enjoy the noise!
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:45 PM   #17
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Question Here Are My Final Settings and A Question

These are my Speaker Levels as Set by Audyssey Calibration

L: -8.5dB

R: -7.5dB

Center:-5.0dB

Note the only Channel level that sounded low was the Center Channel so I manually set that Channel Level at -5.0dB.

Surrounds

L: -9.5dB

R: -11.0dB

Sub: - 2.0dB

so Those are my Current Channel Levels,Now the Source Level Settings are Set at 6+dB my Receiver has two source Level Settings one for Analog Source Level and one for Digital Source Level you stated that those settings are fine for the speakers I have which are Klipsch but will these levels damage my Hearing? my receiver Volume is Set so that when the Receiver Powers On it is at 50dB but one of my Family Members likes to put it at 60db so that is what it is capped at will that Volume Level damage my hearing?

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That's a tricky one. Usually it takes sustained loud volumes repeatedly to damage ears for long term. If you want to be safe about it you could always take some time to read in a quiet place after a movie with very light music on to kind if reset your ears. Unless you're playing it at live concert levels the odds are that you will be just fine.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:47 PM   #19
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Question Two more Questions Regarding Volume

What Are Live Concert Levels?

Another thing I noticed is that the following Sources come though fine at 50.0dB-55dB I do not feel I need to raise the volume anymore for them do you know why?

Video Game Consoles

CD (Music CD)
Wii
Nintendo Gamecube
(Used For Playing Gameboy Games through Gameboy Player
PS3
PSP Connected through Component
PC

The following sources I did have to adjust the Source Level because they sounded too low.

Xbox 360 (Netflix Device)
DVD Player

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Old 02-13-2011, 05:55 AM   #20
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If you are basing the dB level off an SPL meter which accurately reads room decibel levels and peaks, you won't start hurting yourself till you break the 75dB level, Give or take the listening duration. Often times in a home environment this level is taken as a little overwhelming, a rock concert can range from 95-120dB on average and peak to 130-135(Which can be almost immediately damaging). Given these volume levels your ears won't readjust normally and will lose some low volume hearing distinction, meaning softer sounds will be muddy to you and seem like gibberish(If its spoken word or music.) Or you can lose hearing of frequencies in certain ranges like 5k-7khz or something.

Most people won't run their HT Loud enough to damage ears, for fear of clipping or some other reason.

Ask yourself this. At the 50-55dB setting is it as loud as you usually perceive a movie theater soundtrack to be? If so you're probably fairly close to 75dB I believe the norm in most Major Cinema theaters is around 75dB. Which to the human ear is fully recoverable.




On the subject of the source in, I'm not sure bud, it could be any variant of the source material or the output settings of the device. I find that my Xbox 360 during gaming plays louder at the same audio setting on the receiver, than a movie on the same device. Same with my PS3, however movies on both are similar as well as the Cable in from my Cable provider. I'm not sure what causes the irregularities but they exist. I know for a fact that some of my discs are mixed at a higher dB output than some of the others.

E.X.- My copy of Sherlock Holmes(BR) is just as loud in my room at -39.0 on my Receiver as Men in Black(BR) is at -36.0.

I'm sorry I can't provide solid answers on some things. I'll still try my best though.
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