English Speaking 3D movie lovers: It could be worse

[tripletopper]

I've come to a pretty good realization.

I'm glad that I can live in America, be on Social Security disability, and be able to enjoy the fruits of 3D movies despite the fact that I'm poor compared to the rest of America, (but not the world today, and definitely not compared to people in the past, quite rich by both standards) yet I was able to buy a PlayStation 3D TV at valley low prices of $200 new, and even in 2020, eventually I could get every version of a 3D movie I want in a legitimate version with English audio except for one (Mission Impossible Fallout).

I guess it's both the best of rightist economics, raising the baseline standard of living. (Sort of like how before playing cards were the sport of Kings and now you could find a reasonable new deck for 50 cents as an overrun), as well as leftist economics, lifting the lower end up.

Imagine I was a native speaker of any other language, and there was public outcry to get rid of 3D there. Even if you don't compare relative wealth of average people in each nation, the ease to get English from almost any nation in the world is amazing. That's because at least 90% of the "Hollywood style Blockbuster mass market" movies, (to differentiate from that which in American would be considered Art House or foreign-style film.) The primary language the film is produced and the actor speak and the advertising campaign is targeted to its english-speakers specifically in America. In America we hear results on the weekly countdown on Monday, at least before Covid, they give both American results and results for the rest of the world and combine them for World total.

In the past few months I legitimized more than half of my collection by buying authorized versions of ones where I got burnt (maybe part way willingly until I realized this selfsame truth) so as a way of repenting, since there's no movies coming out recently, might as well use the time to "cromulize", if I can turn a Simpsons-originated adjective into a verb, my uncromulent 3D collection. There were 23 discs I had which were 3d bootlegs, mostly unintentionally, occasionally pseudo-didn't care. And of those 23 in the past 4 months I cromulized about 14 of them.

Pick any other language and use the same situation of the native land being deprived of the 3D, and you are totally screwed. Both the availability and the cost would be very Herculean to do that.

I got 9 to go. Two of them weren't my primary purchase, so I got them even though I don't watch them. One of them is unavailable in any physical format in 3D anywhere in the world for home, but was 3d in theaters. Three of them are fairly cheap and three of them are significantly more.

now that I think about it America's probably the best place for 3D to fail if you're a fan of 3D anywhere in the world. there are enough viewers in foreign lands that want to hear the original emotion of a native speaker acting the way the director intended as opposed to a dub in a foreign (to the original intent) language. (I assume there are some people considered movie snobs/buffs that want to get as close to the original as possible so the original working language would be English for 90% of the most popular films and watch it with subtitles.) Also for some films there are many competing Nations that offer their 3D films as ABC discs. It's like they're filling the hole left by the American market.

As a general strategy, do 3D discs in this kind of lack of American copy situation go up in value or down in value over time? These were the 6 discs I have remaining, and try to find out which has the least financial risk, start with the low prices ones, or start with high priced ones?

Coco will probably remain cheap because there's no push for a Coco 2.

They just announced spider verse 2. That could go either direction they might actually release more US 3D copies because the director say it's best seen in 3D, causing a drop. But if they don't make reissues of spider verse 1, worldwide demand will go higher that's raising prices. Plus the "visual words" are translated into the primary language for the DVD market, so therefore I have to get either a US UK Canada Australia or New Zealand version that is an ABC disc.

They're making more Star Wars stories so therefore Star Wars 8 The last Jedi could be reissued in 3D or could not be and just like spider verse go up or down. Also the fact that every legitimate version of Star Wars anywhere in the world has the English language track makes me more flexible and I could buy things that are written in non-Greco-Roman letters. I saw a Russian ABC one for decent price.

Jumanji: The Next Level was released in 3D theaters in 3D but nowhere in 3d on either Amazon eBay or zavvi. not even a bootleg company I somehow got on the mailing list, do I see a 3D version of Jumanji 3 in ANY nation. Luckily welcome to the jungle is probably one of the cheaper ones to get in 3D.

Then come to the holy Grails for a u.s. 3D collector where does only one nationality that has an English language track and at least a region A disc. They are the South Korean valerian and the Japanese Wreck It Ralph 2 Ralph breaks the internet.

maybe I could convince my dad to go in on parts because there was considering 4K and the only way to get 3D is with 4K in Japan.

I guess I talked myself to going after a Holy Grail once I get some money and some money from Dad. If the US 4K version goes like 40 bucks I could ask for 40 bucks towards the Japanese 4K plus 3D version and pay the rest.

[GunZenBomZ]

Every hobbie becomes a fad, I can assure you.

[tripletopper]

Well I think I picked up six of my nine remaining movies left. all I got left is cocoa which is going to probably stay at $10, and the two relative holy Grails which are coming down in price Japanese Wreck It Ralph 2 3D + 4K and South Korean 3D Valerian.

My main point was that 3D collecting could be a whole lot harder if the nation that has the 3D movie shortage is America and someone literally any other market would have to find a particular 3D version for their own language that played on their desk and if 90 + percent other movies are produced primarily in English then you have to rely on translations, and rely on that particular language being for that particular region in 3D.

I'm kind of glad America is the one bearing the shoulder on this 3D hatred. Because we are a Free people who can get around this blockade better than other nations.

heck I saw Star Wars 8 have lots of different versions that were ABC discs in 3D and had English as a spoken and closed caption language. At this point you just let the other nations competing to pick up anyone that has English, ABC, 3D, and plays on an Xbox One.

[Todd Tomorrow]

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. I live in Germany and have a fairly large collection of 3D BDs.

[tripletopper]

my point was if it was one nation it was going to have a limited number of 3D blu-rays, it should be the United States of America, because we are freer import laws, and most every place around the world wants to keep the original dialogue it was originally filmed which in North American movies is English.

Let's say there was an anti 3D movement in Germany other than German language movies where would you get German language of versions of American movies, or movies elsewhere in the world? you would have to rely on a more specific for inversion which contains German language if you want some movie other than a movie negatively filmed in German. Thankfully for me most American movies are wanted in enough parts of enough of the world where discs have worldwide releases separated into separate national releases.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by tripletopper

my point was if it was one nation it was going to have a limited number of 3D blu-rays, it should be the United States of America, because we are freer import laws, and most every place around the world wants to keep the original dialogue it was originally filmed which in North American movies is English.

Let's say there was an anti 3D movement in Germany other than German language movies where would you get German language of versions of American movies, or movies elsewhere in the world? you would have to rely on a more specific for inversion which contains German language if you want some movie other than a movie negatively filmed in German. Thankfully for me most American movies are wanted in enough parts of enough of the world where discs have worldwide releases separated into separate national releases.

There is no "anti-3D movement" in Germany, Germany is among those countries in the world, where new 3D titles still get released, including all of those Disney/Star Wars/MCU titles that you in the USA are now forced to import. German blu-ray releases (3D or not) simply include an additional German dub, the original language version is always available. We have "free import laws" too, I regularly order titles from the USA, including catalogue 3D titles from smaller labels like The Maze or Miss Sadie Thompson. I'm no less restricted then you are.

I don't get the patriotic 3D point you are trying to score on behalf of the USA, when your country now releases fewer 3D titles than European and Asian countries.

You express yourself in a manner which makes little logical or linguistic sense. You make a hypothetical point about a matter you don't seem to know much about. What discussion are you hoping to have ? Also, how does that sentence I highlighted make sense ? "specific for inversion" "negatively filmed in German" What is that even supposed to mean ?

[tripletopper]

It's not a patriotic point it's just the fact that I'm glad that there are alternatives to the US edition which never gets released in 3D.

I don't know how big of releases American Blockbusters are in the rest of the world compared to fare from other nations, but if American Blockbusters are at least 50% of the world's movie watching consumption, then there are strong foreign markets for US films.

that means I don't have to get the US edition in order to get the movie in English and Dolby/DTS and in 3D.

My main point is that if it or any other nation in the world and the public had an anti 3D opinion other nations wouldn't be able to survive it as well (surviving in this case being defined as watching a movie in your native language and in 3D)

The Foreign markets got creative and offered their English language movies in 3D as ABC discs. Originally foreign 3D releases of American 3D movies we're not ABC discs. They realize they can get some money from Americans by importing foreign versions of American movies just by removing 3D in the native market and only acquirable in foreign markets.

All I'm saying is I would rather have domestic us releases in 3D but if one nation was going to be totally blocked from 3D, than America would probably be the best Nation to have that done to.

By the way how does 3D TV work in foreign Nations? The fate of 3D TV was sealed when the NFL announced that it was impossible have a 3D television broadcast without ruining it for 2D viewers. Meaning the side-by-side half format would render 2D viewing of the Super Bowl impossible.

I understand there are web channels which starting 3D and easy programs which converted to 2D for those who don't want to partake in 3D.

By the way man have one such website I'm looking to do a 3D broadcast on Twitch assuming I can have two cameras and one video game footage on simultaneously. as an American I know not to screw the 2D people by making 3D so I'm trying to make it convenient for both 2D viewers and 3D viewers. Is there such a thing as a website that could live convert 3D into 2D?

[tripletopper]

Let's just say if 3D takes off everywhere in the world except one place, the one place that it should not take off for the good of the world is the United States of America because as I said I don't know what percentage of the box office sales are primarily American releases but usually the best in the USA is usually the best in the rest of the world combined. An all subbforms of English combined is probably the world's number one adult-learned language. Mandarin Chinese baby the number one child learn language in the world just because they have more children speaking that than anywhere else but when you become an adult and get to pick your language more people choose English than anything else it's like the second language of over half the nations in the world.

Let's take the same case but let's say Germany has an anti-3D movement. It's going to be harder to survive for a German to get German language spoken movies because while the whole world has the native tongues for people who like to hear the way it was originally filmed and for the most popular movies quite a bit of that is English, if you're relying on a German spoken dubbed version of an American movie, then good luck finding a foreign nation that has German as a number two language on their blu-rays.

If the film was originally filmed in English then we could get it from anywhere in the world that makes their disc an ABC disc.

Germany uses the B standard. If some days someone decided to ban 3D movies in Germany (I know it's not realistic but I'm still talking hypothetical) where else in the world would it be worth having a German spoken copy of a 3D movie except in Germany? obviously the film was made primarily for German audience then other places around the world will probably contain the original German dialogue, but other than that you have to rely on your regional European copy. If they decide to stop doing 3D you have nowhere else to go if you want German spoken language.

I'm just glad that America is the place where 2D Mania is happening. If we MUST have a 3D hatred somewhere in the world, having it in the United States is probably the least impactful place in terms of consumer Blu-Rays for it to happen.