Old movies with new CG upgrades ?

[besi]

In the new Star Wars bluray release lots of new changes,some of them are good but some of them are bad,but I really like the new CG Yoda in The Phantom Menace,so I thought, there are bunch of old movies I would like to see with new CG characters (replaced) and CG enhancements.

What's on your list? What changes would like to see ?

-JAWS : new CG shark

-E.T : puppet replaced with CGI

-Planet of the Apes (1968)

-Indiana Jones movies

-Aliens

etc..........

(theatrical version on disc 2)

[drummerboy_2002]

Originally Posted by besi

In the new Star Wars bluray release lots of new changes,some of them are good but some of them are bad,but I really like the new CG Yoda in The Phantom Menace,so I thought, there are bunch of old movies I would like to see with new CG characters (replaced) and CG enhancements.

What's on your list? What changes would like to see ?

-JAWS : new CG shark

-E.T : puppet replaced with CGI

-Planet of the Apes (1968)

-Indiana Jones movies

-Aliens

etc..........

(theatrical version on disc 2)

E.T. Already happened. As usual, the original was better.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_2002

E.T. Already happened. As usual, the original was better.

In fact, Spielberg publicly apologized for the upgrade, and made a big crowd-play for publicizing that he might put the original back when it goes to Blu.

(So, guess that leaves only "Ghost in the Shell 2.0" still sullied...)

[Al_The_Strange]

When I was a kid, I was really stoked about the "Star Wars" changes, and I've generally been okay with them. Back then, I used to think about bunches of old movies that could benefit from upgraded CGI: probably sci-fi, fantasy, and action movies for the most part, but I also wondered about certain horror movies, war movies, etc.

These days, I'm indifferent, and would rather see most films untouched. Director-approved changes (like the "Blade Runner" final cut, "The Abyss" SE, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture," etc) interest me a lot, but to arbitrarily modify things and alter the movie's tone/message/story generally makes for a weaker experience.

[luwanda]

As long as they include both the original version untouched and whatever else they try to achieve i'm fine with it, but the o.v. will always be better in my book

[Col. Zombie]

I could go for some serious upgrades to The Wizard of Oz.

Since I don't like musicals, it would be great if they used CGI to remove all the song and dance and instead inserted a bunch of clever, modern, "hollywood-esque" style bantering. They could talk about everything from the weather to the ghoulish stories of the wicked witch.

I think they should also remove the wings on the monkeys and give them jetpacks with laser guided missle systems.

[Ray O. Blu]

Originally Posted by luwanda

As long as they include both the original version untouched and whatever else they try to achieve i'm fine with it, but the o.v. will always be better in my book

My thoughts exactly. Great post.
I would add that if a Director does 'modify' his/her work post-theatrical-release, he/she should be deservedly shunned in public for tampering with the integrity of his/her original vision. Actors and everyone else involved in the production process should, and will, fear that their contribution to the film could be jeopardized beyong the initial 'final' edit.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by luwanda

As long as they include both the original version untouched and whatever else they try to achieve i'm fine with it, but the o.v. will always be better in my book

+1

There isn't a single movie or TV show that I can think of that needs to be improved with new CG. Maybe a bathing suit for Kathy Bates in About Schmidt.

Haven't purchased it yet, want to; the Star Trek Original Series Season 1 -3 BDs did it right. When I first heard about the new planets, and new FX I was not impressed, fantastic of them to offer the 'fixed' editions and the originals.

Multiple versions should always be available, when something is fixed. The Twilight Zone series gives you the option of new audio or original. Many BDs are giving us what we want: Blade Runner, Alien Anthology, Apocalypse Now, Payback (UK edition), I am Legend, The Town, etc. have choices between cuts. There are a few I want, both cuts of Daredevil on BD would be nice, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly too...sure there must be a thread somewhere for BDs that don't include the theatrical cuts.

Back on topic: No CG changes, except tge one I mentioned, and maybe make Dawn Wells from Gilligan's Island a little more voluptuous, shorten her skirts, and tighten her shirts. Why should Ginger get all the attention?

[dan21]

Originally Posted by luwanda

As long as they include both the original version untouched and whatever else they try to achieve i'm fine with it, but the o.v. will always be better in my book

my thoughts exactly, I have no problem with all these "new and improved" versions as long as the original version is on the blu-ray as well

[Steve]

Originally Posted by besi

In the new Star Wars bluray release lots of new changes,some of them are good but some of them are bad,but I really like the new CG Yoda in The Phantom Menace,so I thought, there are bunch of old movies I would like to see with new CG characters (replaced) and CG enhancements.

What's on your list? What changes would like to see ?

-JAWS : new CG shark

-E.T : puppet replaced with CGI

-Planet of the Apes (1968)

-Indiana Jones movies

-Aliens

etc..........

(theatrical version on disc 2)

IMO every movie on your list would be ruined by doing what you propose. We've seen CG effects for sharks and in Alien 3 and they pale in comparison with the physical effects in Jaws and the other Alien films. CGI is not always better.

[Sagacious Koreo]

Am I weird for actually liking the old puppetronic Yoda?

Don't get me wrong, I like both I guess. I mean, getting Yoda to do the crazy moves he did in Attack of the Clones would've been near impossible to pull of with the puppet, but there's something about the old Yoda that I loved. I guess because it seemed more tangible.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Koreo

Am I weird for actually liking the old puppetronic Yoda?

Don't get me wrong, I like both I guess. I mean, getting Yoda to do the crazy moves he did in Attack of the Clones would've been near impossible to pull of with the puppet, but there's something about the old Yoda that I loved. I guess because it seemed more tangible.

All of the work Frank Oz put into Yoda deserves to be seen. You're not the only one. As for the PT, I also like CG Yoda. But he shouldn't be in the OT.

[charlieray1]

Originally Posted by Steve

IMO every movie on your list would be ruined by doing what you propose. We've seen CG effects for sharks and in Alien 3 and they pale in comparison with the physical effects in Jaws and the other Alien films. CGI is not always better.

+1

There's nothing wrong with the effects in old movies -- they reflect the time they were made, as they should. The only thing "wrong" is movie viewers with so little patience and imagination that they have to be spoon-fed "improvements" for them to be able to able to enjoy those films.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by charlieray1

+1

There's nothing wrong with the effects in old movies -- they reflect the time they were made, as they should. The only thing "wrong" is movie viewers with so little patience and imagination that they have to be spoon-fed "improvements" for them to be able to able to enjoy those films.

Great point. Imagination is dying in Hollywood. Thank god for directors like JJ Abrams. He's a great imaginative filmmaker. I think audiences are only reacting to what they've been given. If more studios would trust the audience to understand without being spoon-fed, we'd get more films like that.

[jj5206]

personally I hate when they add stuff to the movie. I want to see the movie like it was when I first saw it. You are losing the original charm and character the films had in their original state when you try and make it modern by adding extra CG. I'm fine with re-edits and directors cuts, but once you start adding CGI it usually just looks out of place and I don't understand why George Lucas keeps doing it and refusing to put out the theatrical cut. If you want to make changes to your movies, just please also release the theatrical version with it...

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by jj5206

personally I hate when they add stuff to the movie. I want to see the movie like it was when I first saw it. You are losing the original charm and character the films had in their original state when you try and make it modern by adding extra CG. I'm fine with re-edits and directors cuts, but once you start adding CGI it usually just looks out of place.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by jj5206

I don't understand why George Lucas keeps doing it and refusing to put out the theatrical cut. If you want to make changes to your movies, just please also release the theatrical version with it...

I don't think George Lucas even knows what he's doing himself, but it's very unprofessional, amateurish! He is continually sabotaging his own movies, by making numerous unnecessary changes, instead of letting the original versions remain as they are.

[DB5]

Originally Posted by Steve

IMO every movie on your list would be ruined by doing what you propose. We've seen CG effects for sharks and in Alien 3 and they pale in comparison with the physical effects in Jaws and the other Alien films. CGI is not always better.

Can't agree more. all that slime dripping from the aliens just made them so real, the later movies just didn't have that life like affect.

[Agent Bond]

Star Wars: A New Hope - When Obi-Wan slices off the alien's arm, the blood on the floor needs to be digitally removed.

Star Trek: The Final Frontier - I think this new film getting TMP treatment would improve the film.

RoboCop - I'd love to see an CGI'ed Ed-209

[Offender_Mullet]

Originally Posted by besi

In the new Star Wars bluray release lots of new changes,some of them are good but some of them are bad,but I really like the new CG Yoda in The Phantom Menace,so I thought, there are bunch of old movies I would like to see with new CG characters (replaced) and CG enhancements.

What's on your list? What changes would like to see ?

-JAWS : new CG shark

-E.T : puppet replaced with CGI

-Planet of the Apes (1968)

-Indiana Jones movies

-Aliens

etc..........

(theatrical version on disc 2)

lol. Either you're an instigator or you're actually being serious?

Watch Aliens, then Alien Resurrection and tell me what looks more life-like.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Koreo

Am I weird for actually liking the old puppetronic Yoda?

Don't get me wrong, I like both I guess. I mean, getting Yoda to do the crazy moves he did in Attack of the Clones would've been near impossible to pull of with the puppet, but there's something about the old Yoda that I loved. I guess because it seemed more tangible.

I'll take muppet Yoda over CG Yoda any day.

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

lol. Either you're an instigator or you're actually being serious?

Watch Aliens, then Alien Resurrection and tell me what looks more life-like.

Exactly. Or compare Deep Blue Sea to Jaws. The problem isn't just the CG creature, but also its interaction with the environment. In Jaws the creature moves realistically and interacts with the environment realistically because it's really there. In movies that rely on CGI (Deep Blue Sea or Lake Placid) everything about the creature's motion and interaction with the environment (water in particular) just looks fake, because they have to fake absolutely everything about it.