Optoma HD-91 Testing

[Badas]

This has got my Geekness working over time.

Optoma are field testing their new projector. Due very soon. Optoma HD-91







It looks like it will have the new 1080P DC3 144hz panel, LED light source and 3D as well.

It looks like we finally have a projector with no changeable lamp and dead silent. Guess retail US 4K-5K. So cheap.

JVC and Sony have 4K projectors rumored at the over 10K price. Not really that interested. Big issue. These projectors are due for release in December 2013. HDMI 2.0 that handles 4k is due to release next year. So even tho these projectors will have a 4k panel they have no way of handling a 4k signal. Bonkers.

[Blue Bull]

Very Interesting. You have any more specs??

[Badas]

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Not at this stage. Watch CEDIA.

That is when the specs will come.

I saw some details about 3D glasses. However I really didn't understand it.

This is one of the very first serious LED HT projectors and also one of the first to do LED 3D.

It should be a very exciting projector.

I will be waiting for brightness and contrast specs, also reviews especially colour accuracy and white uniformity.

If it hits those buttons right. I will go for it.

[Flatnate]

This does look intriguing.

First, I can't imagine why anyone would buy a 4K display without HDMI 2.0 at this point in the game. That is a non-starter for me.

As far as the Optoma HD-91 goes, I read somewhere over at AVS that they were talking about 1300 lumens. I wonder what it will do calibrated? That could put it right on par with my JVC for light output, but then you wouldn't get the same kind of light loss as the lamp ages. I could deal with that, as I'm not really smitten with watching a lot of 3D. A person who is really keen on 3D would probably still be better off springing on a Epson 5020UB, or Sony VPL-VW50ES.

I keep wondering if we will see true full laser light engines, coming down the pipeline in the not too distant future. I also wonder how much more LED can be pushed in terms of total light output. 3D aside LED can look awesome, I've seen the Runco Q-750i and it is stellar... The Runco is also a massive machine, and that Optoma doesn't look small from the pics either. LOL.

For me, I'm waiting for LED or Laser, AND 4K, with HDMI 2.0, that can handle whatever colorimetery spec gets nailed down for future content. If I didn't own a projector I could easily spring on this thing, but I am so happy with the JVC for now as I can easily hold out for the price and tech I think will come down the pipe.

[Badas]

Yeah,

Red were talking about releasing a 4k laser projector. However I think they were never going to work. You can get speckle from lasers which will be a big no no for HT.

I'm not fussed about 4k. I just think the standard we have now is easy. With 4k we are going to need new players/Receivers (to pass 4k) and then displays. All this for marginal improvement. I watch The Avengers, Avatar, Life of Pi demos on my system and I really don't see how 4k will improve it.

What I really want is the lamp gone. I think the lamp is the week link in projectors. That is why I'm excited about this one.

I'm thinking of running a two projector setup. New model JVC for 2D (not fussed about 4k version) and this LED Optoma for 3D and gaming.

[Flatnate]

If... and this is a huge IF here... I was really serious about 3D, I would buy two of the LED Optomas and then purchase one of those dual projector passive 3D kits.

I'm curious what your looking for with the new JVC over the LED Optoma as far as your 2D viewing is concerned to be honest. My guess is that 2D will be the Optomas strong suit. I was really impressed with the DLP coupled to the LED light engine in the Runco. The rainbow effect really isn't there, and when it goes to black, it can go really black with that light source. If the thing can be calibrated well I could be happy with just the Optoma.

[Badas]

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You may be possible right. I just don't think you can get much contrast ratio out of the DLP DC3 chipset. I may be or quite possibly wrong.

I'm not a fan of Dynamic Iris. So I was going to use The JVC for 2D with it's dynamic contrast. Optoma and almost all DLP's use a dynamic Iris which in my Bat cave room shows up badly.

On 3D and gaming I will just turn off the dynamic Iris.

[Badas]

New photo's











Has been talk about a 4000:1 native contrast and a 500000:1 LED Dimming contrast. No Dynamic Iris.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by Badas

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You may be possible right. I just don't think you can get much contrast ratio out of the DLP DC3 chipset. I may be or quite possibly wrong.

I'm not a fan of Dynamic Iris. So I was going to use The JVC for 2D with it's dynamic contrast. Optoma and almost all DLP's use a dynamic Iris which in my Bat cave room shows up badly.

On 3D and gaming I will just turn off the dynamic Iris.

I doubt any single chip DLP can get as black as your JVC, but the DC3 chipset should be an improvement over what I believe is the DC2 chipset in most of the entry level DLP projectors out there. The Runco I saw may have had the DC4 (they called it a "superonyx DMD"... whatever that means), but that is probably as good as any single chip DLP is really going to do.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I kinda thought that the LED light source allowed them to get around the use of the dynamic iris? I guess it is really all speculation because we have no clue how Optoma will implement it all. I will be looking for a review or news over at Arts Projectorreviews.com for sure.

Edit: looks like you beat me to a few of the high points about the lack of a dynamic iris in your pic post above. Very nice.

[Badas]

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[kenoh]

How much better is this than the Acer k750 laser-led projector? I'm using it right now for all uses including watching movies and playing video games on a 110 inch screen "plane to go 120" soon. I bought mine for $950 new and want something brighter like the Panasonic DLP laser projector but with good blacks.

I use my Acer all the time and is in use for more than 8 hours a day so far I had it for 3 months and is on 800Hrs of use I figure it should last me at last 3 years but what I want to know is if the Optoma hd91 will have a better contrast and if it will be under 3K because if not I decided I would go for Panasonic PT-RW430U or the Sony VPL-FHZ55 Laser Projector but really want to stick with DLP for color longevity and sharpness.

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

and if it will be under 3K because if not I decided I would go for Panasonic PT-RW430U or the Sony VPL-FHZ55 Laser Projector but really want to stick with DLP for color longevity and sharpness.

This won't be under 3K. Optoma specialize in HT projectors. Their current HD-83 is not that price. I would imagine that in the hands of Optoma this tech will be amazing. It should beat all the others by a big margin.

[kenoh]

but the SONY is based on one of there award winning Home Theater projectors "forget the name" but is basically a laser version of it. so it's a tried and tested projector in terms of image performance right? The Panny I don't know but I did read the review for the SONY laser projector and they mentioned the Panny having almost as good a picture!

and there all rated above 3000 lumens with the SONY being 4000! I would like the same or almost the same bright color pop as my Samsung LED tv and I think I could achieve that with the SONY since it's a much brighter projector?

"The SONY goes for about 4k and the Panny just under 3k"

[Badas]

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Those are both LCD based projectors. I wouldn't touch them myself. I'm real sensitive to the white uniformity issue with LCD. Never been able to stomach watching any of them. Certainly can't watch a lot of black and white on LCD.

The Optoma being DLP based will be a lot more serious machine.

The Sony and Panasonic also look to be aimed at the business market.

[Badas]

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

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Those are both LCD based projectors. I wouldn't touch them myself. I'm real sensitive to the white uniformity issue with LCD. Never been able to stomach watching any of them. Certainly can't watch a lot of black and white on LCD.

The Optoma being DLP based will be a lot more serious machine.

The Sony and Panasonic also look to be aimed at the business market.

actually the Panny is DLP "Model PT-RZ370U" and the SONY although might be aimed at businesses is modeled after a Home Theater projector "I think" Model VPL-FH36. The SONY is 3LCD and is available this month but I don't know it's rated contrast levels?

The Panny claims 20,0001 at 3500 lumens so what would the numbers be if tested at 1200 lumens? 50,0001 or more? I say that sounds like competition even for a so called business projector! Most mid/high end projectors have about that much any ways so I consider the Panny a good mid to high end projector for under 3k "seems about right."

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

actually the Panny is DLP "Model PT-RZ370U" and the SONY although might be aimed at businesses is modeled after a Home Theater projector "I think" Model VPL-FH36. The SONY is 3LCD and is available this month but I don't know it's rated contrast levels?

The Panny claims 20,0001 at 3500 lumens so what would the numbers be if tested at 1200 lumens? 50,0001 or more? I say that sounds like competition even for a so called business projector! Most mid/high end projectors have about that much any ways so I consider the Panny a good mid to high end projector for under 3k "seems about right."

Opps, Sorry I didn't know that about the Panny (DLP). Nice suprise. It does look like a nice projector. It is rated very bright. I wouldn't want 3000 lumens in my HT. I think my Cineversum Blackwing only does 800 lumens (about perfect for 2D). I wonder if you can dial down the brightness on the Led lamp just through the software interface. It would be a nice feature on these projectors if you could change them by a %. Say + or - 1%. Then when you throw it in 3D it could be calibrated with a different brightness. That would be my wishlist.

I do like the looks of the Panny. However I think the Optoma will be worth the extra $$. However I have a lot of expendable $$. To me the Optoma is dirt cheap and a done deal.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

Opps, Sorry I didn't know that about the Panny (DLP). Nice suprise. It does look like a nice projector. It is rated very bright. I wouldn't want 3000 lumens in my HT. I think my Cineversum Blackwing only does 800 lumens (about perfect for 2D). I wonder if you can dial down the brightness on the Led lamp just through the software interface. It would be a nice feature on these projectors if you could change them by a %. Say + or - 1%. Then when you throw it in 3D it could be calibrated with a different brightness. That would be my wishlist.

I do like the looks of the Panny. However I think the Optoma will be worth the extra $$. However I have a lot of expendable $$. To me the Optoma is dirt cheap and a done deal.

"However I have a lot of expendable $$" Doesn't almost everybody on this web site "lol" I'm just like every one else I want what's best for the money and that's why I may or may not get the Panny because I think if it could hit over 50,0001 easy with proper calibration and also turning down the brightness then why not? because the 3500 lumens means I could also use it during the day time like a TV and that I would certainly like!

I like to go DLP because of the almost zero motion lag and more accurate colors and they stay that way even at the end of the projectors life compared to LCD which start to turn a green color. I also like the muted pixel structure and don't have to worry about dust blobs too.

currently I have a acer k750 laser hybrid with a claimed 100,0001 contrast "probably lower then that" lol it's a temporary projector that I plane to use as a back up plus I got for about $900. I plane to use mine twenty four seven but I want something a bit brighter with a better contrast kind of like my Samsung but my Samsung led has a rated 6 million to 1 and looks very nice so I doubt i'll get anywhere near that plus it still looks as good in bright light. if I could only just get a projector looking half as good i'd be a happy camper!

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

"However I have a lot of expendable $$" Doesn't almost everybody on this web site "lol" I'm just like every one else I want what's best for the money and that's why I may or may not get the Panny because I think if it could hit over 50,0001 easy with proper calibration and also turning down the brightness then why not? because the 3500 lumens means I could also use it during the day time like a TV and that I would certainly like!

I like to go DLP because of the almost zero motion lag and more accurate colors and they stay that way even at the end of the projectors life compared to LCD which start to turn a green color. I also like the muted pixel structure and don't have to worry about dust blobs too.

currently I have a acer k750 laser hybrid with a claimed 100,0001 contrast "probably lower then that" lol it's a temporary projector that I plane to use as a back up plus I got for about $900. I plane to use mine twenty four seven but I want something a bit brighter with a better contrast kind of like my Samsung but my Samsung led has a rated 6 million to 1 and looks very nice so I doubt i'll get anywhere near that plus it still looks as good in bright light. if I could only just get a projector looking half as good i'd be a happy camper!

I can put my money where my mouth is. Check out my Gallery. The Cineversum Blackwing cost 18K. I don't see these projectors as a do all solution. I'm thinking of using the Optoma as a 3D / Gaming / TV projector. I will also upgrade to the new Cineversum as a strict 2D film projector.

I also own a Samsung Led TV (40"). Altho I like it for some usage I would hate it for a HT. A projector in my opinion should look like film. Not the Garash/Artificial look of a TV. This is why I would shy away from projectors designed for Business.

You may be looking for a different thing / effect than me. The Panny or Sony would maybe suit.

I really can't see the Panny doing 500000:1 Contrast when rated at 20000:1. I know when you lower brightness you get gain in contrast, however I can't see the Panny achieving that sort of number.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

I can put my money where my mouth is. Check out my Gallery. The Cineversum Blackwing cost 18K. I don't see these projectors as a do all solution. I'm thinking of using the Optoma as a 3D / Gaming / TV projector. I will also upgrade to the new Cineversum as a strict 2D film projector.

I also own a Samsung Led TV (40"). Altho I like it for some usage I would hate it for a HT. A projector in my opinion should look like film. Not the Garash/Artificial look of a TV. This is why I would shy away from projectors designed for Business.

You may be looking for a different thing / effect than me. The Panny or Sony would maybe suit.

I really can't see the Panny doing 500,000:1 Contrast when rated at 20,000:1. I know when you lower brightness you get gain in contrast, however I can't see the Panny achieving that sort of number.

of course it won't reach 500,0001 I said at most between 50 and 100,0001 and like you I will also use it for gaming, TV, and some movie watching during daylight hours. I mean nothing beats gaming on a 110+ screen. I will be using this in a living room setting that's why I like the brightness of the Panny but that doesn't mean it will have an artificial look to it as some so called business projectors can do well as a home theater projector and if the Panny can look as good as the Epson 8350 i'd take it since it's for my living room/ gaming system.

I don't have a gallery up because my living room is a bit messy right now plus I haven't yet completely finished my home theater but I do have some pics I took a few months back so i'll upload those if you want to have a look. oh and that's a nice system you have there.