Best Thing About 4K HDR is That None of Us Have Seen the Full Benefit Yet - Blu-ray Forum

cleeve · 03-12-2018, 04:35 PM

Well, almost none of us, anyway. Z9D owners might have an argument

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Unlike Blu-ray or DVD before it, the beauty about 4K UHD discs is that the discs we buy today will likely look substantially more impressive in 5 years.

For the most part, current display tech just isn't capable of keeping perfect blacks with a high amount light output. When TVs start hitting super high nits while still maintaining excellent black levels, 4K HDR will truly shine. These new displays should also alleviate the inherit "dimness" that many complain about, as the baseline brightness will be much higher.

The continued evolution of OLED and Samsung's introduction of MicroLED will lead the way in this regard. All of our current sets will age pretty poorly when compared to what's to come, and the beauty of it is our 4K UHD libraries should reap the full benefits of these upgrades.

DJR662 · 03-12-2018, 04:49 PM

I think by the time MicroLED tech becomes available for consumers, we might be heading towards 8K. I expect them to go hand in hand, hopefully along with glasses free 3D...

CharlesLeeDay · 03-12-2018, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleeve

Well, almost none of us, anyway. Z9D owners might have an argument

.

Unlike Blu-ray or DVD before it, the beauty about 4K UHD discs is that the discs we buy today will likely look substantially more impressive in 5 years.

For the most part, current display tech just isn't capable of keeping perfect blacks with a high amount light output. When TVs start hitting super high nits while still maintaining excellent black levels, 4K HDR will truly shine. These new displays should also alleviate the inherit "dimness" that many complain about, as the baseline brightness will be much higher.

The continued evolution of OLED and Samsung's introduction of MicroLED will lead the way in this regard. All of our current sets will age pretty poorly when compared to what's to come, and the beauty of it is our 4K UHD libraries should reap the full benefits of these upgrades.

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Geoff D · 03-12-2018, 05:14 PM

Eh, I'm liking the chances of my Light Cannon™ ZD9 still holding its own in years to come.

bradnoyes · 03-12-2018, 05:29 PM

My favorite part is watching the movies.

nick4Knight · 03-12-2018, 06:27 PM

I kinda disagree with the OP. If you changed the title to "The super rich and mastering suites have not seen the full benefit of HDR yet" I'd agree

For a multitude of reasons the theoretical tech of HDR and the real world content and implementation are seemingly worlds apart for 90% or more of titles that we'll see on UHD.

RustinCohle · 03-12-2018, 06:42 PM

I only buy discs to get my collection numbers up. Trying to hit 1,000 by the end of the year. I watch maybe one a month.

mastafishere · 03-12-2018, 09:00 PM

A year and a half ago I wanted to upgrade to a 4K set and wound up settling on Samsung UN65KS8000. I wanted to get an OLED but the input lag was no good for games, which me and wife play a lot. If they can ever fix the input lag on OLED sets, I'll probably upgrade again as the picture quality difference is stunning. Until then, I'm pretty happy with my set. 4K movies look only marginally better than 1080p but they still look awesome. Still, I feel like I COULD be seeing the full benefit of 4K discs now if I went with the OLED (or at least, more of the benefit) but that darn input lag...

ROSS.T.G. · 03-12-2018, 09:50 PM

In a few years we’ll all be watching movies on spaceships with perfect black levels.

bradnoyes · 03-12-2018, 09:51 PM

The best thing about cars is that they float if you shoot them into space.

redxrebellion · 03-12-2018, 10:17 PM

In space no one can hear you scream about how awesome the picture looks, so what’s the point?

HD Goofnut · 03-12-2018, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR662

I think by the time MicroLED tech becomes available for consumers, we might be heading towards 8K. I expect them to go hand in hand, hopefully along with glasses free 3D...

Which is moot since 8K content is extremely limited.

Fendergopher · 03-12-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Which is moot since 8K content is extremely limited.

Not to mention how 4K content is only just starting to become normalized for movie content, with only like a handful of TV stations broadcasting in 4K. That's also ignoring how many 4K releases are just upscales. Netflix original series tend to have pretty big budgets as well, so they don't necessarily reflect most serialized content with regards to 4K.

By the time we're seeing 8K TV broadcasts it'll be 2035 or something.

nick4Knight · 03-13-2018, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Which is moot since 8K content is extremely limited.

You would get 8K for the temporal resolution uptick, the pixel density sharpening the image, for the upscaling algorithms (next gen AI chips) to work for UHD content.

Not for the idea there is native content expected.

miccheck · 03-13-2018, 12:09 AM

My LG C6 Oled says hello
It is like my baby, every time I leave her, I miss her.
Because there is quite nothing like her....!
she's so gorgeous and unique, and I never get tired of it, cuz she impress me even more every night, showing me something I have never seen before
I got something new for her every few weeks, and she thanks me in one of the best way possible

Archivy · 03-13-2018, 12:28 AM

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Best Thing About 4K HDR is That None of Us Have Seen the Full Benefit Yet

Correct, because the Criterion Collection has yet to jump in.

Yojimbo68 · 03-13-2018, 12:49 AM

I've been playing the collecting game since the VHS/Laserdisc years. For popular catalog titles, a slightly better release is always around the corner. I'm sure in the near future we'll also being seeing a lot more "But it doesn't have Dolby Vision" posts about today's raved about 4K discs with just plain old HDR.

bevins2016 · 03-13-2018, 01:45 AM

Lol, this thread is way too hopeful. We barely got to see the full benefit of Blu-ray on 90% of Blu-ray releases before 4k came out. Releases will only ever be as good as studios choose to spend on the master of the film and in most cases they choose to do not much more than the bare minimum to get people to buy them.

ghebert · 03-13-2018, 02:12 AM

From the few movies I've seen in 4K so far, it seems like I'm getting 1080p uncompressed more than anything. There's certainly a difference between 4K and 1080p upscaled to 4K.

buckeye1 · 03-13-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by redxrebellion

In space no one can hear you scream about how awesome the picture looks, so what’s the point?

Plus at the same you don't have to worry about anyone blocking your view while watching how awesome the picture looks....

03-12-2018, 04:35 PM	#1
cleeve Senior Member Member since:Feb 2010 Location:United States 4K collection:40 Blu-ray collection:40 Trading Score:96	Best Thing About 4K HDR is That None of Us Have Seen the Full Benefit Yet Well, almost none of us, anyway. Z9D owners might have an argument . Unlike Blu-ray or DVD before it, the beauty about 4K UHD discs is that the discs we buy today will likely look substantially more impressive in 5 years. For the most part, current display tech just isn't capable of keeping perfect blacks with a high amount light output. When TVs start hitting super high nits while still maintaining excellent black levels, 4K HDR will truly shine. These new displays should also alleviate the inherit "dimness" that many complain about, as the baseline brightness will be much higher. The continued evolution of OLED and Samsung's introduction of MicroLED will lead the way in this regard. All of our current sets will age pretty poorly when compared to what's to come, and the beauty of it is our 4K UHD libraries should reap the full benefits of these upgrades.

03-12-2018, 09:00 PM	#8
mastafishere Senior Member Member since:Apr 2012 4K collection:1233 Blu-ray collection:3150 DVD collection:206 Trading Score:138	A year and a half ago I wanted to upgrade to a 4K set and wound up settling on Samsung UN65KS8000. I wanted to get an OLED but the input lag was no good for games, which me and wife play a lot. If they can ever fix the input lag on OLED sets, I'll probably upgrade again as the picture quality difference is stunning. Until then, I'm pretty happy with my set. 4K movies look only marginally better than 1080p but they still look awesome. Still, I feel like I COULD be seeing the full benefit of 4K discs now if I went with the OLED (or at least, more of the benefit) but that darn input lag... Last edited by mastafishere; 03-12-2018 at 09:16 PM.

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03-12-2018, 04:49 PM	#2
DJR662 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 Trading Score:30	I think by the time MicroLED tech becomes available for consumers, we might be heading towards 8K. I expect them to go hand in hand, hopefully along with glasses free 3D...

03-12-2018, 05:14 PM	#4
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Eh, I'm liking the chances of my Light Cannon™ ZD9 still holding its own in years to come.

03-12-2018, 05:29 PM	#5
bradnoyes Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:778 Blu-ray collection:819 Trading Score:255	My favorite part is watching the movies.

03-12-2018, 06:27 PM	#6
nick4Knight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Perth, Australia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:386 Blu-ray collection:716	I kinda disagree with the OP. If you changed the title to "The super rich and mastering suites have not seen the full benefit of HDR yet" I'd agree For a multitude of reasons the theoretical tech of HDR and the real world content and implementation are seemingly worlds apart for 90% or more of titles that we'll see on UHD.

03-12-2018, 06:42 PM	#7
RustinCohle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2016 Trading Score:238	I only buy discs to get my collection numbers up. Trying to hit 1,000 by the end of the year. I watch maybe one a month.

03-12-2018, 09:50 PM	#9
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	In a few years we’ll all be watching movies on spaceships with perfect black levels.

03-12-2018, 09:51 PM	#10
bradnoyes Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:778 Blu-ray collection:819 Trading Score:255	The best thing about cars is that they float if you shoot them into space.

03-12-2018, 10:17 PM	#11
redxrebellion Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2011 4K collection:344 Blu-ray collection:1885 DVD collection:295 Trading Score:11	In space no one can hear you scream about how awesome the picture looks, so what’s the point?

03-13-2018, 12:09 AM	#15
miccheck Member Member since:May 2017	My LG C6 Oled says hello It is like my baby, every time I leave her, I miss her. Because there is quite nothing like her....! she's so gorgeous and unique, and I never get tired of it, cuz she impress me even more every night, showing me something I have never seen before I got something new for her every few weeks, and she thanks me in one of the best way possible

03-13-2018, 12:49 AM	#17
Yojimbo68 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2008 4K collection:160 Blu-ray collection:1563 DVD collection:683 Digital collection:1328 iTunes collection:2 Blu-ray reviews: 8	I've been playing the collecting game since the VHS/Laserdisc years. For popular catalog titles, a slightly better release is always around the corner. I'm sure in the near future we'll also being seeing a lot more "But it doesn't have Dolby Vision" posts about today's raved about 4K discs with just plain old HDR.

03-13-2018, 01:45 AM	#18
bevins2016 Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2013 Location:Ohio Blu-ray collection:1123 DVD collection:60 Trading Score:235	Lol, this thread is way too hopeful. We barely got to see the full benefit of Blu-ray on 90% of Blu-ray releases before 4k came out. Releases will only ever be as good as studios choose to spend on the master of the film and in most cases they choose to do not much more than the bare minimum to get people to buy them.

03-13-2018, 02:12 AM	#19
ghebert Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:299 Blu-ray collection:626 Blu-ray reviews: 2	From the few movies I've seen in 4K so far, it seems like I'm getting 1080p uncompressed more than anything. There's certainly a difference between 4K and 1080p upscaled to 4K.

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