Warner Archive...Ultra HD Blu-ray?! - Blu-ray Forum

BijouMan · 02-23-2021, 10:34 PM

What's this all about?! Warner Archive typically means that the disc is a DVD/BD-R rather than a pressed DVD/BD-ROM. However, there is no such thing as a BD-R 66 or BD-R 100 that will play on an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. The players can only play BD-R(E) 25/50 discs. BD-R(E) 100 and BD-R 128 discs fall into the BDXL family, not the Ultra HD Blu-ray family, and will not play in an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. This effectively makes it impossible for the bad guys to make and sell bootleg copies. Isn't every Ultra HD Blu-ray a pressed disc? Did Warner somehow develop some mysterious BD-R 100 that is Ultra HD Blu-ray compliant?!?!

Rizor · 02-23-2021, 10:36 PM

All of Warner Archive's Blu-rays are pressed. None of the ones I own are BD-Rs. I don't really understand the distinction in BvS's case as it seems to include a digital copy which most WAC titles do not, nor does it appear to use the WAC branding. Maybe it's just the distribution model?

Vilya · 02-23-2021, 10:41 PM

I concur; Warner Archive blu-rays are pressed discs in my experience. Their DVDs, however, can be either pressed or burned.

Geoff D · 02-23-2021, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

What's this all about?! Warner Archive typically means that the disc is a DVD/BD-R rather than a pressed DVD/BD-ROM. However, there is no such thing as a BD-R 66 or BD-R 100 that will play on an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. The players can only play BD-R(E) 25/50 discs. BD-R(E) 100 and BD-R 128 discs fall into the BDXL family, not the Ultra HD Blu-ray family, and will not play in an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. This effectively makes it impossible for the bad guys to make and sell bootleg copies. Isn't every Ultra HD Blu-ray a pressed disc? Did Warner somehow develop some mysterious BD-R 100 that is Ultra HD Blu-ray compliant?!?!

No. Warners' MOD Blu-rays are mostly pressed, not burned. This will be a conventionally replicated 100GB UHD disc.

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Originally Posted by Rizor

All of Warner Archive's Blu-rays are pressed. None of the ones I own are BD-Rs. I don't really understand the distinction in BvS's case as it seems to include a digital copy which most WAC titles do not, nor does it appear to use the WAC branding. Maybe it's just the distribution model?

I think it's exactly that, yeah. This is one of the first big 'remastered' double dips that there has been on the UHD format in the five years of its existence and Warners don't want to take a chance and press bajillions of them, so they're letting WAC handle a smaller print run.

EddieLarkin · 02-23-2021, 10:47 PM

I don't believe there has ever been a single burned BD from WAC. They just do tiny 500 copy runs when each one comes close to running out.

DVDs on the other hand are pressed for the first run and then burned as needed afterwards.

dallywhitty · 02-23-2021, 10:47 PM

With Warner Archive finally boarding the UHD train, they should give us the archival versions of a certain 1982 sci-fi film. #justsaying

Geoff D · 02-23-2021, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

With Warner Archive finally boarding the UHD train, they should give us the archival versions of a certain 1982 sci-fi film. #justsaying

Yeah, that's the bigger takeway from all this for me: if WAC are finally getting into UHD - and not just because Warners proper can't be bothered for this one title - then it throws open a massive realm of possibility. WAC have been doing a lot of 4K restorations from OG negative lately as well...

noirjunkie · 02-23-2021, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

No. Warners' MOD Blu-rays are mostly pressed, not burned. This will be a conventionally replicated 100GB UHD disc.

They're always pressed, not mostly. They've never released a single BD-r.

Geoff D · 02-23-2021, 10:50 PM

There you go Bijou, straight from the Orson's mouth.

dallywhitty · 02-23-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, that's the bigger takeway from all this for me: if WAC are finally getting into UHD - and not just because Warners proper can't be bothered for this one title - then it throws open a massive realm of possibility. WAC have been doing a lot of 4K restorations from OG negative lately as well...

Just thinking about it is making me wet.

The Fallen Deity · 02-23-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

With Warner Archive finally boarding the UHD train, they should give us the archival versions of a certain 1982 sci-fi film. #justsaying

Geoff D · 02-23-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Just thinking about it is making me wet.

Poya · 02-23-2021, 11:02 PM

At this rate, Mill Creek will get the 4K treatment before Criterion.

kevin87 · 02-23-2021, 11:02 PM

Are we sure that's even a WAC release? It doesn't show on Movie Zyng and it includes digital, which they've never done before AFAIK.

But yes, as has been said, the BDs are always pressed and DVDs are pressed at first then gradually turn into DVD-R.

brainofj72 · 02-23-2021, 11:26 PM

Has it been 100% confirmed that this is actually a remastered version with variable aspect ratio for the IMAX scenes? Or are we just going off product listings and something Snyder said a while ago?

MattPerdue · 02-23-2021, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brainofj72

Has it been 100% confirmed that this is actually a remastered version with variable aspect ratio for the IMAX scenes? Or are we just going off product listings and something Snyder said a while ago?

Right now it's all just speculation but I think it makes sense with how all-in Snyder is on the IMAX AR for Justice League. I mean why bother with a new disc otherwise? Unless it were just a repackage in which case why through the Archive?

sonicyogurt · 02-23-2021, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin87

Are we sure that's even a WAC release? It doesn't show on Movie Zyng and it includes digital, which they've never done before AFAIK.

...and its MSRP appears to be $19.99 — less than the $21.99 that Warner Archive’s regular Blu-ray releases typically list for. Stranger things have certainly happened, but I’m skeptical until there’s a formal announcement.

AKORIS · 02-24-2021, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

With Warner Archive finally boarding the UHD train, they should give us the archival versions of a certain 1982 sci-fi film. #justsaying

yeah but isn't TRON with Disney?

J-Mart · 02-24-2021, 12:28 AM

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yeah but isn't TRON with Disney?

Yeah, and I believe The Thing is with Universal and is already getting a UHD release.

AKORIS · 02-24-2021, 12:42 AM

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Yeah, and I believe The Thing is with Universal and is already getting a UHD release.

...and I can't see WB releasing Paramounts Star Trek II ...so I have no idea what he's talking about!

02-23-2021, 10:34 PM	#1
BijouMan Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2020 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	Warner Archive...Ultra HD Blu-ray?! What's this all about?! Warner Archive typically means that the disc is a DVD/BD-R rather than a pressed DVD/BD-ROM. However, there is no such thing as a BD-R 66 or BD-R 100 that will play on an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. The players can only play BD-R(E) 25/50 discs. BD-R(E) 100 and BD-R 128 discs fall into the BDXL family, not the Ultra HD Blu-ray family, and will not play in an Ultra HD Blu-ray player. This effectively makes it impossible for the bad guys to make and sell bootleg copies. Isn't every Ultra HD Blu-ray a pressed disc? Did Warner somehow develop some mysterious BD-R 100 that is Ultra HD Blu-ray compliant?!?!

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02-23-2021, 10:36 PM	#2
Rizor Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:NJ, USA 4K collection:1602 Blu-ray collection:6185 DVD collection:192 MA collection:73 Digital collection:51 iTunes collection:29 Prime collection:7 Blu-ray reviews: 32 Trading Score:159	All of Warner Archive's Blu-rays are pressed. None of the ones I own are BD-Rs. I don't really understand the distinction in BvS's case as it seems to include a digital copy which most WAC titles do not, nor does it appear to use the WAC branding. Maybe it's just the distribution model?

02-23-2021, 10:41 PM	#3
Vilya Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Sep 2011 Location:In the gloaming 4K collection:776 Blu-ray collection:5296 DVD collection:3918 Digital collection:1699 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:17	I concur; Warner Archive blu-rays are pressed discs in my experience. Their DVDs, however, can be either pressed or burned.

02-23-2021, 10:47 PM	#5
EddieLarkin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2011 4K collection:659 Blu-ray collection:4699 DVD collection:893 Trading Score:1	I don't believe there has ever been a single burned BD from WAC. They just do tiny 500 copy runs when each one comes close to running out. DVDs on the other hand are pressed for the first run and then burned as needed afterwards.

02-23-2021, 10:47 PM	#6
dallywhitty Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Temple of Isis 4K collection:323 Blu-ray collection:1689 DVD collection:178	With Warner Archive finally boarding the UHD train, they should give us the archival versions of a certain 1982 sci-fi film. #justsaying

02-23-2021, 10:50 PM	#9
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	There you go Bijou, straight from the Orson's mouth.

02-23-2021, 11:02 PM	#13
Poya Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2011 Location:NY, NY 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:2 Trading Score:12	At this rate, Mill Creek will get the 4K treatment before Criterion.

02-23-2021, 11:02 PM	#14
kevin87 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Alabama 4K collection:286 Blu-ray collection:1139 DVD collection:46 MA collection:278 Digital collection:216 iTunes collection:1 Trading Score:144	Are we sure that's even a WAC release? It doesn't show on Movie Zyng and it includes digital, which they've never done before AFAIK. But yes, as has been said, the BDs are always pressed and DVDs are pressed at first then gradually turn into DVD-R.

02-23-2021, 11:26 PM	#15
brainofj72 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:USA 4K collection:1040 Blu-ray collection:3618 DVD collection:817 Digital collection:151 iTunes collection:141 Trading Score:152	Has it been 100% confirmed that this is actually a remastered version with variable aspect ratio for the IMAX scenes? Or are we just going off product listings and something Snyder said a while ago?

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