Should the Oscars come up with a different animation category for CG? - Blu-ray Forum

Warm Gun · 12-29-2020, 05:20 AM

I don't think it makes sense that if you animate something traditionally, meaning by hand either on paper or some kind of digital pad, but drawn in 2D for each frame either way, and with painted, still backgrounds, it has to compete with all the animations made in a completely different medium, computer generation. It's like making athletes from two different sports compete for a medal. People in general probably like CG more, so there is gonna be a bias in the votes.

I've never watched the Oscars and I don't care about what they nominate, but I still want to ask.

Of course, this means that a traditionally animated movie will easily win, since Hollywood does not make any. I'm totally in favor of that incentive. I want them to come back. Haven't watched a CG animation in years.

Poya · 12-29-2020, 05:35 AM

No because there isn’t much 2D animation these days, especially not in the US.

Warm Gun · 12-29-2020, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Poya

No because there isn’t much 2D animation these days, especially not in the US.

But what if they were to make a comeback?

Farerb · 12-29-2020, 05:37 AM

The animation category should be eliminated, it's time to recognize animated films in the real categories. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, The Lion King, Toy Story and WALL-E were robbed of a Best Picture nomination.

CyberpunkCentral · 12-29-2020, 05:51 AM

When was the last time a 2D movie got nominated anyway?

Farerb · 12-29-2020, 05:51 AM

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when was the last time a 2d movie got nominated anyway?

Klaus, which came out in 2019, and nominated in the 2020 ceremony, and this year there's Wolfwalkers, which is a top contender for nominated and maybe a win.

Warm Gun · 12-29-2020, 05:58 AM

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2019 (2020)

Mirai? Haven't seen it, but of course this foreign thing wasn't going to win, just like The Tale of the Princess Kayuga was robbed in favor of lesser animated films of that year, winner being Big Hero Six, a movie I barely remember and never revisited. The explanations the voters gave for their picks were amusing to say the least. One of them said their kid liked it more.

Farerb · 12-29-2020, 06:01 AM

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Mirai? Haven't seen it, but of course this foreign thing wasn't going to win, just like The Tale of the Princess Kayuga was robbed in favor of lesser animated films of that year, winner being Big Hero Six, a movie I barely remember and never revisited. The explanations the voters gave for their picks were amusing to say the least. One of them said their kid liked it more.

Mirai came out in 2018, I haven't seen it as well. My pick for 2014 would have been Song of the Sea personally, but I agree about Big Hero 6, one of the most mediocre films that came from Disney, but it goes to show that the Academy is a joke when it comes to animated films.

Warm Gun · 12-29-2020, 06:06 AM

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Mirai came out in 2018, I haven't seen it as well. My pick for 2014 would have been Song of the Sea personally, but I agree about Big Hero 6, one of the most mediocre films that came from Disney, but it goes to show that the Academy is a joke when it comes to animated films.

Yeah, Song of the Sea would have been fine too. I wanna rewatch it now. It's been over four years.

Here's the article I read a long time ago with some of their amusing quotes from that year.

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-se...on-109456.html

Cremildo · 12-29-2020, 01:33 PM

No. There are different styles of animation; the existing category recognizes that and is inclusive enough. Even a Brazilian 2D animation got a nod a few years back.

And AMPAS is striving for fewer categories, not more.

mwynn · 12-29-2020, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I don't think it makes sense that if you animate something traditionally, meaning by hand either on paper or some kind of digital pad, but drawn in 2D for each frame either way, and with painted, still backgrounds, it has to compete with all the animations made in a completely different medium, computer generation. It's like making athletes from two different sports compete for a medal. People in general probably like CG more, so there is gonna be a bias in the votes.

I've never watched the Oscars and I don't care about what they nominate, but I still want to ask.

Of course, this means that a traditionally animated movie will easily win, since Hollywood does not make any. I'm totally in favor of that incentive. I want them to come back. Haven't watched a CG animation in years.

CG is still drawn in 2-d first.

imsounoriginal · 12-29-2020, 01:36 PM

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I've never watched the Oscars and I don't care about what they nominate

mwynn · 12-29-2020, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Poya

No because there isn’t much 2D animation these days, especially not in the US.

Don Bluth is trying to change that.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/don-bl...iography-craft

Lee A Stewart · 12-29-2020, 01:40 PM

No. Animation is animation.

Farerb · 12-29-2020, 01:42 PM

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Don Bluth is trying to change that.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/don-bl...iography-craft

Yeah...sure... good luck to him.

mwynn · 12-29-2020, 01:42 PM

Monterey Jack · 12-29-2020, 01:42 PM

It took until 2001 for an Best Animated Film category to even exist, no way the Oscars want to add a subcategory at this time.

mwynn · 12-29-2020, 01:43 PM

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Yeah...sure... good luck to him.

He is trying, instead of sitting on his hands complaining on twitter like others do.

xbs2034 · 12-29-2020, 01:47 PM

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But what if they were to make a comeback?

It’s not going to make a comeback big enough to justify two categories. One animated feature category with 5 nominees is more than enough to recognize the achievements that year.

I’m already concerned that we are about to get an Oscars with a bunch of filler slots from nominees who wouldn’t have had a shot in normal years (honestly after best actor I don’t see any other category which is close to as competitive as it would be regularly), but am mostly willing to go along with it as an unusual year because of the pandemic even if there will be something of an asterisk in my mind. I don’t want a category like Best Actor in a Musical at the Tonys this year, where there is just one nominee, because there was only a single performance eligible for that category (frankly its embarrassing IMO).

Batman1980 · 12-29-2020, 01:56 PM

I think it's time for the Oscars to become more expansive, period. Animation isn't just a genre, it's a medium.

12-29-2020, 05:20 AM	#1
Warm Gun Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2020 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:653 DVD collection:103 Digital collection:2 Trading Score:10	Should the Oscars come up with a different animation category for CG? I don't think it makes sense that if you animate something traditionally, meaning by hand either on paper or some kind of digital pad, but drawn in 2D for each frame either way, and with painted, still backgrounds, it has to compete with all the animations made in a completely different medium, computer generation. It's like making athletes from two different sports compete for a medal. People in general probably like CG more, so there is gonna be a bias in the votes. I've never watched the Oscars and I don't care about what they nominate, but I still want to ask. Of course, this means that a traditionally animated movie will easily win, since Hollywood does not make any. I'm totally in favor of that incentive. I want them to come back. Haven't watched a CG animation in years. Last edited by Warm Gun; 12-29-2020 at 05:34 AM.

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12-29-2020, 05:35 AM	#2
Poya Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2011 Location:NY, NY 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:2 Trading Score:12	No because there isn’t much 2D animation these days, especially not in the US.

12-29-2020, 05:37 AM	#4
Farerb Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Oct 2018 4K collection:93 Blu-ray collection:216 DVD collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	The animation category should be eliminated, it's time to recognize animated films in the real categories. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, The Lion King, Toy Story and WALL-E were robbed of a Best Picture nomination.

12-29-2020, 05:51 AM	#5
CyberpunkCentral Banned Member since:Apr 2009 Blu-ray reviews:6	When was the last time a 2D movie got nominated anyway?

12-29-2020, 01:33 PM	#10
Cremildo Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Brazil 4K collection:165 Blu-ray collection:1051 Trading Score:51	No. There are different styles of animation; the existing category recognizes that and is inclusive enough. Even a Brazilian 2D animation got a nod a few years back. And AMPAS is striving for fewer categories, not more.

12-29-2020, 01:40 PM	#14
Lee A Stewart Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jan 2019 Location:Albuquerque, NM	No. Animation is animation.

12-29-2020, 01:42 PM	#17
Monterey Jack Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Oct 2011 Trading Score:710	It took until 2001 for an Best Animated Film category to even exist, no way the Oscars want to add a subcategory at this time.

12-29-2020, 01:56 PM	#20
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	I think it's time for the Oscars to become more expansive, period. Animation isn't just a genre, it's a medium.

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