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Thanks given by: | NoirFan (07-15-2016) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Another one who absolutely swears by this movie is director Mike Leigh. Watch at around 47:05, where he also gives some background info about the film:
So if you know and like Mike Leigh's work and what he strives for, you should get the idea of what kind of movie it is. Yeah, it is similar to The Emigrants/New Land type of film, portraying the harshness and ups and downs of life, etc. Also, I believe that there are some real animals slaughtered in the film so those who are sensitive to that sort of thing might be turned off. |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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May want to keep expectations in check regarding PQ. Ritrovata managed to get their hands on this one too.
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/blu-r...gs_blu-ray.htm |
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Banned
Oct 2017
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For those who felt the color timing of this new restoration was strange, it turns out the Arrow release has a massively different color timing. They say it's based on an original release print.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123877 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123878 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123879 |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Good post. They look very different to say the least. The colors, brightness, contrast and even framing look different. Criterion seems to have plenty of black crush:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...3877/picture:3 Not sure if I should double dip and get the Arrow. |
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Blu-ray Emperor
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I don't understand how they're so drastically different when both come from the same Film Foundation restoration. Did Arrow alter the color timing? I don't imagine Criterion did that with their transfer, especially when we know Ritrovata was involved, and this is often how their color gradings look like.
edit: Yep, I'm right. Arrow regraded it themselves Quote:
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Banned
Oct 2017
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I don't have the Criterion booklet to compare with, but here is what's written in the Arrow booklet :
The movie was restored by Fondazione Cineteca di Bologna at L'immagine Ritrovata with funding provided by The Film Foundation. Additional support was provided by Fundazione Cineteca di Bologna and The Criterion Collection. The movie was restored from the original 35mm camera negative and scanned in 4K resolution. A 35mm vintage print preserved by Cinecitta was used as a grading reference. Special thanks to Ermanno Olmi and Paolo Cottingnola for their consultation. On Arrow's release, the movie opens with the same text : "The movie was restored by Fondazione Cineteca di Bologna at L'immagine Ritrovata with funding provided by The Film Foundation. Additional support was provided by Fundazione Cineteca di Bologna and The Criterion Collection. Special thanks to Ermanno Olmi and Paolo Cottingnola for their consultation." then followed by : "The movie was restored from the original camera negative, scanned at 4K resolution, using a 35mm vintage print preserved by Cinecitta Luce as a reference. Ermanno Olmi's active participation resulted in a new color grading." |
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Banned
Oct 2017
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Olmi can't have supervised both, or even approved both, and simply be done with it. Maybe they strongly disagreed with the 4K color grading but also didn't want people to go to Olmi and say "look what they did !". |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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No doubt Arrow's color timing is infinitely more accurate than Ritrovata's botchjob. |
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Banned
Oct 2017
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Arrow regraded stuff before, but I don't think they ever did so with something that was so much advertised as having someone like Olmi supervising the original timing. They re-graded some gialli but the original timings were solely on Bologna. They also regraded Deep Red, but the consulting was from Tovoli (who didn't photographed the movie to begin with) and the grading wasn't as deep as on Wooden Clogs. So this one certainly is interesting, because in some ways, it throws away Olmi's input, or implies that what he did and what ended up on the disc are 2 very different things. |
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Congratulations to Arrow for addressing the Ritrovata/teal colors and giving us this version which surely looks more natural and probably closer to what the film was originally.
@arou54 i didn't understand something. This text: "Ermanno Olmi's active participation resulted in a new color grading" refers to the teal grading? By the way, i haven't seen this film and I wonder if I should blind buy it. it looks impressive and interesting by the trailer. |
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