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Old 04-29-2019, 04:44 PM   #1
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*AVENGERS: ENDGAME SPOILER WARNING*

Disney/Marvel/Bob Iger are clearly still planning more Avengers movies:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...429-story.html

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Warning: The following story includes major spoilers about the fates of various characters in “Avengers: Endgame.”

The release of “Avengers: Endgame” marks an ending of sorts for the first three “phases” of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or at least for the core team that first assembled for 2012's “Marvel’s The Avengers.”

After the events of “Endgame,” Black Widow and Iron Man are no more and Captain America is a senior citizen. Hawkeye and Hulk are both in mourning while Thor, at least, seems optimistic about the future, climbing aboard the Guardians’ spacecraft for destinations unknown (or, if Star-Lord gets his way, likely anywhere in the universe Gamora might be).

Disney CEO Bob Iger told the Hollywood Reporter in 2018 that the studio will likely jump-start a new franchise beyond the “Avengers” before clarifying that it “doesn’t necessarily mean you won't see more ‘Avengers’ down the road. We just haven't made any announcements about that.”

He added: “Given the popularity of the characters and ... the franchise, I don’t think people should conclude there will never be another ‘Avengers’ movie.”

The recent merger of Disney and 20th Century Fox has also opened up new possibilities to officially bring characters from X-Men — including Deadpool — and the Fantastic Four into the MCU. Though talk of that has been consistently minimized.

Whether or not there will be superhero team-ups as stuffed with heroes as the “Avengers” films, Marvel has already announced plans for several stand-alone movies featuring characters introduced in the MCU’s current Phase 3 including Spider-Man, Black Panther and Doctor Strange. (While all those characters were turned to dust by the villainous Thanos at the end of last year’s “Avengers: Infinity War,” it didn’t take a super-psychic to predict they’d be revived in “Endgame.”)

At an “Endgame” event in Shanghai, Kevin Feige confirmed that “Spider-Man: Far From Home,” which was co-produced with Sony and will be released in July, will conclude Phase 3. The film is set to introduce Spider-Man ally Mysterio (Jake Gyllenhaal) and the villain group the Elementals. Marvel exec Amy Pascal told Fandom in 2017 that the film would start “a few minutes after ‘Avengers 4’ wraps as a story.”

So what's next as the Marvel Cinematic Universe enters Phase 4? Nothing is known for certain except that the first as-yet untitled release from the studio will hit theaters on May 1, 2020 followed by a second 2020 release on Nov. 6. The following year will see releases on Feb. 12, May 7 and Nov. 5.

In 2022, Marvel will again release three films in one year, with prospective openings scheduled for Feb. 18, May 6 and July 29.

That being said, here’s what we know so far.

‘Guardians of the Galaxy 3’
Marvel has revealed that a third “Guardians of the Galaxy” film is in development with James Gunn reinstated as director. That film had been expected to come out sometime in 2020, though production will now start after Gunn's completion of DC sequel “The Suicide Squad.” A burning question post-“Endgame”: Will the “Guardians” threequel include Thor? And should they change the name to “Asgardians of the Galaxy”?

‘Black Widow’
Marvel previously announced it would release a solo "Black Widow" film, which has been in development for years. Given the fate of the character in “Endgame,” it will likely be a prequel, furthering Natasha Romanoff’s back story that was previously hinted at in “Avengers: Age of Ultron.”

Jac Schaeffer was hired to write the script in 2018 with Cate Shortland named as director that July. In February, Ned Benson was brought on to rewrite the script. Florence Pugh, Rachel Weisz, David Harbour and O-T Fagbenle have joined the cast. Filming is expected to begin in June in the United Kingdom, which makes this the likely first 2020 release.

‘The Eternals’
Marvel has also met with multiple screenwriters for a story about the Eternals, a fictional race of cosmic beings. In 2018, Feige said the group was "one of many, many, many things that we are actively beginning to have creative discussions about to see if we believe in them enough to put them on a slate."

Matthew and Ryan Firpo were brought on as screenwriters with Chloé Zhao named as director. Angelina Jolie and Kumail Nanjiani are among the names floated as likely cast members. Filming is set to begin in August in Atlanta, which would suggest it will get the second 2020 release slot.

‘Shang-Chi’
A Shang-Chi film focused on the martial arts master is also reportedly in the works, which would be the studio's first film led by an Asian character. No casting has been announced but Chinese American writer David Callaham was hired to write the script with Destin Daniel Cretton (who helmed Brie Larson’s breakout turn in “Short Term 12”) attached as director.

‘Black Panther 2’
And it only makes sense that there will be a follow-up to last year's "Black Panther" after that film's staggering box office haul. Director Ryan Coogler will reportedly return to write and direct a sequel, according to an Oct. 2018 report from the Hollywood Reporter. Look for it to hit theaters in 2021.

‘Doctor Strange 2’
In December 2018, the Hollywood Reporter broke the news that “Doctor Strange” director Scott Derrickson finalized a deal to return for a sequel. Marvel is still on the hunt for a screenwriter for the project, though the studio is reportedly hoping to begin production in spring 2020 for a potential May 2021 release.

‘Thor 4’
While promoting the indie “Little Woods,” Tessa Thompson mentioned discussion of a fourth “Thor” film, with “Ragnarok” director Taika Waititi tapped to return as director. “I don't know how real that intel is, but I hear that the pitch has happened,” she said.

Other likely sequels awaiting confirmation include a “Captain Marvel” follow-up, continuing adventures of “Ant-Man and the Wasp” and — although we haven’t even seen the sequel yet — a third MCU “Spider-Man.” (Since Spidey is under Sony, his release date wouldn’t be included in Disney’s mysterious plans.)

Additional MCU story lines are planned through 2028, spanning 20 films “that are completely different from anything that's come before — intentionally,” Feige told Bloomberg Businessweek in 2014.

Beyond the big screen, there are major plans in the works for Disney's upcoming streaming service Disney+, which is set to debut Nov. 12.

Multiple “cinematic” limited series have already been announced including Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes in a series called “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier,” which is expected to launch in the first year of the service, and the Scarlet Witch and Vision joint series “WandaVision” and Loki solo series, both expected to launch in year two of Disney+.

The events of “Endgame” raise questions about all of these projects — when the film ends Sam was handed Captain America’s shield, Vision was still dead and Loki was either dead or somewhere undisclosed in space thanks to the Tessaract — but we’re not holding our breath for answers to those soon.

A Marvel series about Hawkeye — possibly working with a female protégé, shades of the “Endgame” opening scene — also looks likely but hasn’t been officially confirmed. In an interview in advance of “Endgame,” Jeremy Renner said he'd be “game” to continue portraying the character.

I would love to see it called THE NEW AVENGERS.



NEW TEAM MEMBERS & THEIR PREDICTED ROLES:
*Possible Avengers Endgame spoiler warning*

-Captain Marvel. The team's new field leader. Experienced and knowledgable of other planets and allies. Close to Fury too, who is clearly still active as we have seen in the Spider-Man Far From Home trailer.

-Captain America II (Sam). The second in command under Captain Marvel. Sam still does not have enough experience to be the first in command to lead the whole group. By listening to Sam's words at the end of Endgame, it seems to suggest he is ready for new battles with the shield.

-Hulk. Hulk has no where to go. He was a loner roaming the world before he became an Avenger. Joining The Avengers has actually improved his life. He is also one of the brains of the group. Kind of how Beast is to the X-Men, Hulk is to The Avengers.

-Ant-man & The Wasp. Now that Janet is back helping Hank, I don't see Hank needing Scott's help as much. He earned his stripes in Endgame as a team member, I see him sticking with the team.

-Black Panther. Part time member, kind of like Thor was. Thor was off doing other things in Avengers 1, 2 and 3 and not always directly involved with the other team members. I see Black Panther doing this.

-Spider-man. I see him working with Hulk as the brain/tech team member like Tony and Bruce. Plus he wanted to be an Avenger so bad in the previous films, I don't see him wanting to leave the team anytime soon.

By this line up, its not too crowded. Just one more than the number the original Avengers line up was.


CHARACTERS I DON'T SEE COMING BACK AS AN AVENGERS TEAM MEMBER:

-War Machine. I see War Machine retiring from Avengers duty post Endgame. He seemed to only be involved when Tony was (Except for Infinity War maybe.).

-Valkyrie. I see her still attending duties to rebuild New Asgard.

-Dr. Strange. I see Dr. Strange as more of a consult for the Avengers, than a full time team member.

What would you like to see in The Avengers sequel? Where should the story go? What team line up would you like to see?
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Old 04-29-2019, 04:46 PM   #2
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Doctor Strange will absolutely be a member of The Avengers. Technically most of them "consult" only when the crisis is big enough to need their help.
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I think they should leave a team up movie alone for a while, the Avengers Initiative is sort of done now. I think the next multi-franchise event movie should take a good chunk of time to come around, 5 years at the very least. They should do is something that has multiple threads of different characters crossing paths, ending in a conclusion, or even perhaps a cliffhanger that needs a new team formed up.
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Avengers 5:

Falcon/New Cap, Hulk, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, War Machine and Pepper Pots/Iron (Lady?) use the time stone to find Tony Stark in an alternate timeline in order to stop portal hopping Loki who has escaped with the tesseract.

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Avengers 5:

Falcon/New Cap, Hulk, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, War Machine and Pepper Pots/Iron (Lady?) use the time stone to find Tony Stark in an alternate timeline in order to stop portal hopping Loki has escaped with the tesseract.
Thoughts on Bucky?
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Does Ruffalo want to come back for more Hulk?
show him the green and he will gladly be green
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Another Avengers film was inevitable, my main point of curiosity concerns the villains.

Doom, Galactus, etc. are still years away, Kang may be too much too soon, so how about something different: another team.

Avengers vs. Dark Avengers/SWORD/Thunderbolts/whomever. Several villains are still alive (Abomination, Mordo, Zemo, someone from Spider-Man's gallery), it would be different, still be fun, and a great reason to bring the new members together officially as a team.
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Another Avengers film was inevitable, my main point of curiosity concerns the villains.

Doom, Galactus, etc. are still years away, Kang may be too much too soon, so how about something different: another team.

Avengers vs. Dark Avengers/SWORD/Thunderbolts/whomever. Several villains are still alive (Abomination, Mordo, Zemo, someone from Spider-Man's gallery), it would be different, still be fun, and a great reason to bring the new members together officially as a team.
Homecoming's post-credit kinda hinted at Sinister Six. We'll see what Far From Home ends up doing, but getting the heroes together to take on the Sinister Six as the first stop-gap til the next Thanos-level threat could maybe work.
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Didnt they already reveal Adam Warlock who could turn into Magus???
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Zero chance Captain Marvel becomes a member the Avengers, and absolutely not as the leader.

Remember what she said in Endgame:

[Show spoiler]There's alot of other planets out there and they don't have all of you

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Didnt they already reveal Adam Warlock who could turn into Magus???
Teased, not revealed. We only ever saw a birthing pod and Ayesha saying she'll call him "Adam."
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They shouldn't rush into anything. Lay the ground work like they did for the Infinity Saga.

The next saga I wanna see is Secret Wars (Which has already been hinted at by the Russo Bros.).

Also I think the Avengers name should be retired with Endgame. Change it to something like Marvel: Insert Subtitle. People will still get the idea.
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I don't see Captain Marvel as a full-time Avenger. She has spent the last 30 years going solo and I don't see her suddenly becoming Miss Congeniality.

I suspect she plays cameos in other movies, and may run into Thor or the Guardians from time to time.
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I don't see how Sam can be Captain American when his only superpower is Jet Pack.

Now that the Marvel TV shows are gone can they reclaim "The Defenders" name and pair up Doctor strange with a merry band of misfits? I'm talking son of Satan, Hellcat, Gargoyle, Valkyrie (the other one), Devil-Slayer, and Nighthawk? I could totally see this succeeding in a Guardians of the Galaxy sort of way. I was made when they slapped the Defenders title on Daredevil and co. in the TV realm.

How about Moon Knight?

They should put The Avengers to bed for a while.
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I think the movies have made it abundantly clear that being Captain America isn't about strength or a shield or any kind of superpower, it's about standing for true good no matter what and always being ready to help/protect those who can't help/protect themselves. Cap even says he's "just a kid from Brooklyn."

Sam is more than qualified to carry the mantle.
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I think the movies have made it abundantly clear that being Captain America isn't about strength or a shield or any kind of superpower, it's about standing for true good no matter what and always being ready to help/protect those who can't help/protect themselves.
That a jet pack isn't going to defeat the likes of The Red Guadian.
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Zero chance Captain Marvel becomes a member the Avengers, and absolutely not as the leader.

Remember what she said in Endgame:

[Show spoiler]There's alot of other planets out there and they don't have all of you
Maybe Nick Fury could convince her to stay, saying the new team needs a leader he can trust. Nick has a way of talking to other heroes to change their minds.
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That a jet pack isn't going to defeat the likes of The Red Guadian.
Meh, he'll have help lol
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They shouldn't rush into anything. Lay the ground work like they did for the Infinity Saga.

The next saga I wanna see is Secret Wars (Which has already been hinted at by the Russo Bros.).

Also I think the Avengers name should be retired with Endgame. Change it to something like Marvel: Insert Subtitle. People will still get the idea.
I agree they should take their time.

But I think the name "Avengers" is so big now, its title alone is what would sell tickets and gain interest. Maybe: "AVENGERS: SECRET WAR". Pretty much what they did with the Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War stories, by making them subtitles to the Avenger sequels.

I also hope that Disney/Marvel leaves the characters alone that had their story wrapped up in Endgame..
[Show spoiler] ..like Iron Man, Steve Rogers and Black Widow. No resurrections, no clones, no cheap way of bringing them back, etc.
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Make a few solo films, then bring in a new Avengers team.
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