Moana (2016)

[esteban²]

John Musker & Ron Clements

Disney announced the follow-ups for 'Frozen' and 'Big Hero 6'. Zootopia (2016), Giants (2016), Moana (2018) and Untitled Project (2018).

After Zootopia en Giants, Moana is next on the non-sequel list. Who's not looking forward to the next animated Disney Classic by Ron Clements and John Musker? Directors of The Great Mouse Detective, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Hercules, Treasure Planet and The Princess and the Frog.

The story takes place in Polynesia - a group of islands that includes Easter Island - and tells the story about the tropical residants and the famous statues that are made there. The Tiki heads.

This will be the very first (completely) computer animated movie for the directing duo, but it will also be the first feature film that uses the same style as te Oscar winning 'Paperman', simulated hand-drawing, that is.

Moana will be released in the spring of 2018.

Clements and Musker? Heroes!

EDIT : MOANA WILL BE RELEASED BY THE END OF 2016 !

[cinemaphile]

I LOVE the style of Paperman, and these two have made some of the best Disney movies ever. This might be the one I'm most interested in of the new announcements.

[EricJ]

Musker & Clements don't know HOW to make a bad movie.
(Although they came awfully darn close with Princess & the Frog, but a lot of things were happening at the studio, and it might not have been their fault.)

They're like the Pixar of WDFA, that always knew how to throw in that last little emotional tug into the storylines, even before John Lasseter came along and taught everyone else how to.
And they're the only directors who can create realistic male characters, without kissing up to the girl demographic and bashing them. (Although, again, P&tF might not have been their fault.)

[akayw0718]

I adore Paperman. Excited for this!!!

[esteban²]

I'm realy looking foward for more news to come, cause these announcements made my day. I wonder how the animation will look, I still haven't seen 'Paperman'.

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by esteban²

I'm realy looking foward for more news to come, cause these announcements made my day. I wonder how the animation will look, I still haven't seen 'Paperman'.

Oh wow. you are in for a treat. one of the most amazing animated pieces in a long time - short or feature. the animation is beautiful, the story is great... you must watch it. i think its on youtube if you dont have ralph.

[esteban²]

I don't like watching films on the internet, but that's one golden tip. I forgot it's on the Wreck-it Ralph blu-ray. Going to buy that soon.

[yeslek]

wait, so the Paperman style of animation ISNT a CGI/Handdrawn hybrid (like it was sold as being almost a year ago), but is actually CGI Hand-drawn, so faux hand-drawn?

urgh
At least the overall look of hand-drawn isnt completely dead I gess

[yumny]

Originally Posted by yeslek

wait, so the Paperman style of animation ISNT a CGI/Handdrawn hybrid (like it was sold as being almost a year ago), but is actually CGI Hand-drawn, so faux hand-drawn?

urgh
At least the overall look of hand-drawn isnt completely dead I gess

No it's not like that. It's hand-drawn animation, layed over CGI models.
So basically, CGI movements and animation, but with a hand-drawn layer on top.

[Lnds500]

Apparently Lasseter was/is sceptical about the Paperman technique. They were sceptical over at Disney that it might be too distracting for the audience. I think we should expect an evolution of the Paperman style.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Apparently Lasseter was/is sceptical about the Paperman technique. They were sceptical over at Disney that it might be too distracting for the audience. I think we should expect an evolution of the Paperman style.

I'm starting to dislike Lasseter's skepticism. Remember how he changed Rapunzel to Tangled and made it from an art deco style movie into generic CGI?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by yumny

I'm starting to dislike Lasseter's skepticism.

It was a complicated experiment, and looked good in shorts, but I can understand his not wanting to connect the next feature down the pipe to it unless there was a strong visual story to support it.
Everybody wanted one, but it would have to be a good one.

Remember how he changed Rapunzel to Tangled and made it from an art deco style movie into generic CGI?

That was probably because:
A) Glen Keane was spending years since the Eisner era trying to perfect his own "hybrid" style on "Rapunzel", ran into years of delay, and one of Lasseter's first jobs was to either speed up production, appoint a co-director, or remove Keane from the project...The latter eventually happened, for "health" reasons. (And apparently it was health reasons.)
B) Tangled, while trying to invoke the new panicky association at the studio that Enchanted was the last "They like us, they really like us!" movie of the end of the Eisner/Stainton era--and trying to remind the audience that fun, spoofy princesses were okay again--was probably also trying to legally disassociate itself from any earlier associations with Keane's project under the R-title, for ownership/source reasons. (Likely the same reason as the differing Monsters-sequel projects.)

Of course, there's always
C) He did it all by himself, because he's lazy and evil.
(That seems to be the popular theory, so it's probably correct.)

[yumny]

Originally Posted by EricJ

That was probably because:
A) Glen Keane was spending years since the Eisner era trying to perfect his own "hybrid" style on "Rapunzel", ran into years of delay, and one of Lasseter's first jobs was to either speed up production, appoint a co-director, or remove Keane from the project...The latter eventually happened, for "health" reasons. (And apparently it was health reasons.)
B) Tangled, while trying to invoke the new panicky association at the studio that Enchanted was the last "They like us, they really like us!" movie of the end of the Eisner/Stainton era--and trying to remind the audience that fun, spoofy princesses were okay again--was probably also trying to legally disassociate itself from any earlier associations with Keane's project under the R-title, for ownership/source reasons. (Likely the same reason as the differing Monsters-sequel projects.)

Of course, there's always
C) He did it all by himself, because he's lazy and evil.
(That seems to be the popular theory, so it's probably correct.)

I like the lazy and evil-theory.

No, of course, like you said, there's always more nuance behind the scenes. However I can't help but feel that Lasseter may be severely inclined to safe commercial bets, which isn't helping considering WDAS is supposed to be about growth and exploring boundaries.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by yumny

No it's not like that. It's hand-drawn animation, layed over CGI models.
So basically, CGI movements and animation, but with a hand-drawn layer on top.

exactly a Hybrid. Its what sold the idea to me, that there was still an element of hand-drawn to it

some articles make it sound like its all CG but make too look like the flatter, 2D hand-drawn style rather than the traditional, 3d-esque look of CGI.

Originally Posted by yumny

I'm starting to dislike Lasseter's skepticism. Remember how he changed Rapunzel to Tangled and made it from an art deco style movie into generic CGI?

I didnt know they changed the style too, I just thought they opted for CG instead.
Wow. Though, it did kinda work for Tangled in the end (I have to admit I quite like the movie), though I would have LOVED to have seen the end product based on the original premise

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by yeslek

I didnt know they changed the style too, I just thought they opted for CG instead.
Wow. Though, it did kinda work for Tangled in the end (I have to admit I quite like the movie), though I would have LOVED to have seen the end product based on the original premise

I came upon this very recently, I had no idea the movie was supposed to look so different. A missed opportunity IMO. It still looks great, but artistically, I think Unbraided was leaps and bound beyond the current version

Rapunzel Unbraided (Disney - 2010) - YouTube

[RachellovesLOTR]

Cool This movie sounds like a good watch.

[esteban²]

Indeed Lnds, when I saw the first trailer for 'Tangled' I just couldn't believe it looked so different than the clip (in your post) that turned up long before that. That actually looked like a painting coming alive, like they promised.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I came upon this very recently, I had no idea the movie was supposed to look so different. A missed opportunity IMO. It still looks great, but artistically, I think Unbraided was leaps and bound beyond the current version

Rapunzel Unbraided (Disney - 2010) - YouTube

my worry would have been the hair...but looks like they hadnt any issues by the video.
Then again, I cant imagine it being easy to animate.

woulda been nice for a 2D hand drawn version but hey ho. The story we have was good enough the I no long mind it being in CG

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I came upon this very recently, I had no idea the movie was supposed to look so different. A missed opportunity IMO. It still looks great, but artistically, I think Unbraided was leaps and bound beyond the current version

Actually, "Rapunzel" was Glen Keane's story, "Unbraided" was Eisner's idea to "salvage" the story by rewriting for his new "Shrek apology" we-hate-fairytales-no-really-honest directive at the studio--
Into a new plotline where two modern teenagers find themselves transported back and "stuck" in the characters of the story....Which might be seen as eventually morphing into the teen-comedy characters of Flynn and Rapunzel, but who's to say how these things evolve?

[celticmoon]

I don't really think Tangled has a generic CG look to it like many people say. It still looks pretty unique among the major CGI flicks, and I thought Glen Keane's designs came to life surprisingly well in CG. Visually, it's one of my favorite CGI films. (Though Bolt also had a similar style.)

That said, I can't say I wasn't disappointed when we saw the first footage and it wasn't the 'painting come to life' style that we were always hearing about. I definitely think Rapunzel: Unbraided seemed like the better film in that respect. However, the story seemed like it had a 99% chance of being pretty bad.

Loved Paperman though, and I really hope we can see a feature-length film in some form of this style. I'd really like to see WDAS push the boundaries of CG in the visual aspect. Wreck-It Ralph did some interesting things by changing up the style and having each of the worlds have their own sense of physics, and I really, really loved the film overall. However, I think it was also a missed opportunity. With all the different video game worlds from different eras, they really could have experimented with the visuals in a much more interesting way.