just wounding if maybe in the future instead of studios releasing box set dvds with 5 dvds maybe just one bd-50? becuase i can not see even if 5-6 years every tv or portable system being even 720p. well i gusse it will be will blu-ray one day be sameprice as dvd ?
I think in 5-6 years that every TV available will support that and even the smaller TV's will support this, even though they won't see much of a difference...
5-6 years is a long time in "technology-time" anymore...so I don't rule anything out..
I bought Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest, it is a 2 disc set. The second disc is a Blu-ray, but has no HD content on it; just 7 hours of extra footage in SD. Blu-ray's are actually cheaper to produce than DVD; DVD's are two peices of plastic pressed together, Blu-ray's are just a single peice. The only reason we pay more for Blu-ray is because of the HD content, so yes, in the future when Blu-ray is the standard, it will be the same price as DVD.
I bought Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest, it is a 2 disc set. The second disc is a Blu-ray, but has no HD content on it; just 7 hours of extra footage in SD. Blu-ray's are actually cheaper to produce than DVD; DVD's are two peices of plastic pressed together, Blu-ray's are just a single peice. The only reason we pay more for Blu-ray is because of the HD content, so yes, in the future when Blu-ray is the standard, it will be the same price as DVD.
That's not the only reason.
You are also paying for start-up costs and economies of scale. Early adopters always pay the IR&D costs.
They could, but the authoring and pressing costs are going to be much higher than DVD for years to come (no Aron, it's not cheaper to press BDs than DVDs - I don't know where you got that idea). Add to that "everyone" has a DVD player now, but even in 5 years they won't all have switched to BD. There's really no economic sense in releasing SD on high capacity media.
They could, but the authoring and pressing costs are going to be much higher than DVD for years to come (no Aron, it's not cheaper to press BDs than DVDs - I don't know where you got that idea). Add to that "everyone" has a DVD player now, but even in 5 years they won't all have switched to BD. There's really no economic sense in releasing SD on high capacity media.
Blu-ray Disc Production Costs Comparable to DVD
Posted March 29, 2004 by Marwin
According to the Blu-ray Disc Founders (BDF), Blu-ray Disc will offer by far the highest capacity of any optical disc storage format ever developed for consumers, and yet the production costs of manufacturing Blu-ray Discs is expected to be comparable to current DVDs when manufactured at mass volumes. "Capacity and cost savings were the major reasons HP and other industry leaders chose to support Blu-ray Disc," said Maureen Weber, general manager of HP's Optical Storage Solutions. "The PC business revolves around volume and cost; and, the fact that the most logical cost choice also offers far better quality - as well as a smooth transition plan that is both forward- and backward-looking - is icing on the cake."
Other advantages to putting out whole seasons of TV shows on single Blu-ray discs (other than the obvious economy of valuable shelf space) is the convenience of the ever popular "play all" function for those true couch potatoes among us that would be willing to sit through an entire TV show season without getting up to swap discs, and the distinct advantage of re-encoding the shows with the superior-quality AVC codec, rather than the inferior MPEG2 that we are locked into with DVDs.
I don't think that we will see single BD-50 discs with a whole season of content on them for a while.
When Joe Schmoe walks into best buy and see the "tiny" single bu-ray case with a $79 price tag on it, he is liable to have a heart attack, however he will be more than willing to purchase the "bulky" 6 disc DVD box set for the same price.
Also, even if Mr. Schmoe gets over the size thing, he will pick up the slender BD-50 disc; realizing that it is better to have an entire season on one disc; only to get it home, pop it in his BD player and then have another heart attack when he realizes the content is "only SD". Of course he wouldn't have bothered to read the package stating "presented in 4:3 aspect ratio in standard definition", after all the definition of blu-ray IS Hi-Definition right?.
Consumers (in general) think like this and the studio's know this.
I don't think that we will see single BD-50 discs with a whole season of content on them for a while.
When Joe Schmoe walks into best buy and see the "tiny" single bu-ray case with a $79 price tag on it, he is liable to have a heart attack, however he will be more than willing to purchase the "bulky" 6 disc DVD box set for the same price.
Also, even if Mr. Schmoe gets over the size thing, he will pick up the slender BD-50 disc; realizing that it is better to have an entire season on one disc; only to get it home, pop it in his BD player and then have another heart attack when he realizes the content is "only SD". Of course he wouldn't have bothered to read the package stating "presented in 4:3 aspect ratio in standard definition", after all the definition of blu-ray IS Hi-Definition right?.
Consumers (in general) think like this and the studio's know this.
thats strange because i was in frys the other day and some guy was talking to me about putting seasons on BD but only in SD to save room and such.
I can guarentee you that you'll be seeing entire seasons of movies (SD DVD) burned illegally on BR disks by the end of the year -- possibly by the end of the summer -- in Korea.
I don't think that we will see single BD-50 discs with a whole season of content on them for a while.
When Joe Schmoe walks into best buy and see the "tiny" single bu-ray case with a $79 price tag on it, he is liable to have a heart attack, however he will be more than willing to purchase the "bulky" 6 disc DVD box set for the same price.
Also, even if Mr. Schmoe gets over the size thing, he will pick up the slender BD-50 disc; realizing that it is better to have an entire season on one disc; only to get it home, pop it in his BD player and then have another heart attack when he realizes the content is "only SD". Of course he wouldn't have bothered to read the package stating "presented in 4:3 aspect ratio in standard definition", after all the definition of blu-ray IS Hi-Definition right?.
Consumers (in general) think like this and the studio's know this.
i agree with that and im sure that people will also try to put it in tehre regular dvd player
That's the big thing, you will never see a full TV season of an hour long show on less than 3 discs, They will ship 3 BD-25s with 10GB apiece on them if they have to.
Aaron look at the date of the link you posted. Right now DVD replication is around $0.50 for DVD9s at volume, while BD50s are $3-4. In order for BD to become cheaper to replicate than DVDs that means that you need a higher demand and supply of BD than DVD, and better yield rates. That's not going to happen in 5 years even. Authoring costs need to come down from a starting $150k to "sane" levels, and even then it should cost more than DVD simply because it's a lot more advanced and takes more time and effort. There's also the AACS license fee of several thousand per glass master (fail or not), though I suspect that will change since it's really hurting smaller companies wanting to use it.
HD-DVD has it almost as bad, and the only reason they're slightly cheaper per disc is because the inital upgrade costs for replicators are lower. Once the equipment is paid off prices should stabilize and be equivalent regardless of format hi-def format.
Blu-ray Disc Ready for Cost Effective Manufacturing
May 25, 2005
Hollywood, CA – May 25, 2005 – Broad acceptance and adoption of Blu-ray Disc has led to the maturation of the complete disc manufacturing process. Having multiple companies involved with each step has contributed to process improvements and cost efficiencies that bring the long-term cost of manufacturing BD-ROM discs in line with current DVD replication costs.
“There are a lot of companies trying to stake out a position in various aspects of BD ROM manufacturing,” said Kazuhiro Tsuga, executive officer of Matsushita Electric. “As a result, we are seeing multitudes of improvements in processes and technology, as well as the effects of economies of scale that make replication extremely cost effective.”
The most recent advances come in the area of cover-layer technology, where one of two approaches (film bonding and spin coating) can be used to apply the 0.1mm cover-layer used in Blu-ray Disc.
The spin-coating process, which uses resin to form the cover-layer, is now being piloted in Torrance, California by Panasonic, who in cooperation with Origin Electric, has developed replication technology and equipment for the mass production of spin-coated discs.
In film bonding, the development of new extruded film technology by several leaders in the chemical industry has significantly reduced film costs. A new film product from Teijin reduces the cost of the cover film to one-third of the cost of conventional polycarbonate materials, and Degussa, a new BDA member company, projects a single digit Euro cents per-disc cost at launch. In addition to these advances in film materials, Lintec Corporation’s hard coat material and film bonding process makes the film bonding method very efficient.
With the improvements in cover-layer technology, and in preparation for mass production of BD-ROM discs, Singulus Technologies, a leading manufacturer of replication equipment, has developed replication systems that will target cycle times towards three seconds. Yields are expected to exceed 90 % in a full-scale, mass production environment.
PRESS RELEASE
Sony has developed equipment to streamline the disc mastering process by reducing the eleven steps currently used in DVD mastering to five for BD-ROM. This masteringprocess, Phase Transition Mastering (PTM), requires as little as one-fifth of the space required for DVD mastering and the equipment can be configured to allow mastering of both BD-ROM and DVD-ROM on a single system. The first two commercial machines are for Technicolor and Cinram for Q2, 2005 installation.
With these developments in the industry, replication facilities in the United States are setting up and preparing to mass produce BD-ROM Discs. Technicolor is establishing a complete pilot BD disc manufacturing process by July 2005. Cinram already has a pilot replication line that produced demo discs for CES 2005 and is awaiting the delivery of commercial lines.
“Fox is pleased to see the increasing number of technology companies and materials vendors committing to Blu-ray implementation, which is reducing costs to promising levels through technological breakthroughs and innovation,” said Danny Kaye, SVP Technology and Research Strategy at Twentieth Century Fox. “We look forward to continued technological progress along with developments in content protection.”
In addition to ramping up for mass production of the 50GB discs that will be available at format launch, Blu-ray has begun work to ensure that the format continues to grow as high-definition technology evolves. Blu-ray companies have successfully demonstrated 200GB discs in a laboratory environment and are poised to further expand the format’s capacity as needs dictate.
That's nice and all but it still doesn't make BD as cheap as DVD. Looking at it from a studio perspective the factors I mentioned above still apply.
Blu-ray is just 2-3$ more per disc. But we pay 10$-15$ more for it. And its worth every penny. I can get Casino Royle at Wal-mart on DVD for 15$, or I can go to Best Buy and get it for 30$ on BD.
Right, but the problem there isn't the stamping cost - it's the authoring. Those costs usually come to more than the total pressing cost because of the relatively low volume. Low volume also means that you need a much higher MSRP in order to break even. Even though that hurts sales, early adopters are hardcore enough that many of us buy the discs anyway to the point where they make more money total at $30 than the increased sales at $15 would indicate. As market size increases and you get a more varied demographic I expect we'll see some price drops just like what happened to DVD. I can't wait to see the Nielsen numbers when that happens .
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I can get Casino Royle at Wal-mart on DVD for 15$, or I can go to Best Buy and get it for 30$ on BD.
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