Cars on Blu-Ray Vs. Cars on HDTV - Blu-ray Forum

djluis2k6 · 03-15-2009, 12:16 AM

Cars has an Aspect Ratio of 2.40:1, and it does have black bars on its BD release. Here's the question, why is it that they will keep some movies in their true Aspect Ratio on HDTV, while others, including Cars, will display them in full screen ratio? Does this mean that a full screen type aspect ratio was also made, or what? Because the picture isn't stretched or anything, it looks just as good as the Blu-Ray version looks with black bars.

matt2009 · 03-15-2009, 12:21 AM

watched this in hd on sky and it had black bars it looked good but not as sharp or clear as my bluray does

djluis2k6 · 03-15-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by matt2009

watched this in hd on sky and it had black bars it looked good but not as sharp or clear as my bluray does

I saw it both on Disney HD and Family HD, neither had black bars and looked just as good as Blu-Ray.

tommyboy81 · 03-15-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by djluis2k6

I saw it both on Disney HD and Family HD, neither had black bars and looked just as good as Blu-Ray.

On stations like that including TNT if you noticed it's a little stretched on the top and bottom. Makes the people a little thinner. You can tell on some of the tv shows on NBC, CBS where it looks like that.

matt2009 · 03-15-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by djluis2k6

I saw it both on Disney HD and Family HD, neither had black bars and looked just as good as Blu-Ray.

i will have to watch it when its on the disney channel again could have swore it had black bars

it does look great but i think blu ray is just that bit better

brett_day · 03-15-2009, 12:29 AM

it is really hard to compare blu ray animation to animation that is played over cable and satellite because the animation is so flawless, especially the newer pixar stuff!

My jaw still drops to the floor when i pop in cars on blu! absolutely stunning

RazMansReality · 03-15-2009, 12:29 AM

My cable only goes to 720 and Cars still looked great on Disney HD. I can't wait to get it on Blu and see it in 1080!

brett_day · 03-15-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Raz Man

My cable only goes to 720 and Cars still looked great on Disney HD. I can't wait to get it on Blu and see it in 1080!

your cable does not output 1080i? thats really strange

RazMansReality · 03-15-2009, 12:42 AM

^No it does I meant it only goes as high as 720P so I want to get on Blu so I can see it in full 1080p.

maygit · 03-15-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Raz Man

^No it does I meant it only goes as high as 720P so I want to get on Blu so I can see it in full 1080p.

You should set your box to 1080i if possible then. 720p signals will have to be scaled to 1080p when displaying on a 1080p set. 1080i signals don't really have to be scaled, just deinterlaced, so they're a lot closer to a 1080p signal vs 720p.

SlmShdy1 · 03-15-2009, 01:04 AM

They just crop the picture to get rid of the black bars so you're missing the sides of the picture.

RazMansReality · 03-15-2009, 01:06 AM

^ Really? Huh I always thought 1080i was a lower from of HD. The WWE broadcasts in 1080i it looks really low quality compared to the p settings. Thanks for that I'll give it a try.

maygit · 03-15-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Raz Man

^ Really? Huh I always thought 1080i was a lower from of HD. The WWE broadcasts in 1080i it looks really low quality compared to the p settings. Thanks for that I'll give it a try.

That is possible, i should have mentioned that it also depends on your tv as well. If it's not very good at deinterlacing signals, it could look worse than 720p in fast motion sequences.

RazMansReality · 03-15-2009, 01:19 AM

^ OK thanks I'll give it a try. Wasn't actually complaining I just love the full 1080p picture is all.

EricJ · 03-15-2009, 01:22 AM

Not to mention, just try watching the Blu version via the interactive Spot-the-Cars game...
DANG, that one's harder than it looks!

richieb1971 · 03-15-2009, 01:33 AM

1080i has more picture information, it just runs at a slower speed. 720p runs faster, but has less picture information.

In other words, with 720p, your getting 720 lines of info at 60 updates a second.

With 1080i, your getting 1080 lines of information at 30 frames per second.

There isn't much in it to the naked eye.

RazMansReality · 03-15-2009, 01:36 AM

OK so I tried it and as far as my cable goes 720p is the highest picture quality. Thanks anyway maygit.

PeterTHX · 03-15-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Raz Man

^ Really? Huh I always thought 1080i was a lower from of HD. The WWE broadcasts in 1080i it looks really low quality compared to the p settings. Thanks for that I'll give it a try.

1080i is 1920x1080, interlaced (60 fields, 1.1 million active pixels), 30fps.

720p is only 1280x720 (921 thousand active pixels) though the framerate is 60fps. Shows like LOST and 24 are shot at 24fps so there's usually no advantage to the faster framerate other than sports.

As far as what your cable offers it depends on the channel. FOX and ABC owned stations (like ESPN, Family, etc) are 720p.

NBC, CBS, and CW and just about every other channel are 1080i.

You need to make sure the cable box output is also set to 1080i.

Jeff Kleist · 03-15-2009, 01:57 AM

With Pixar movies, Pixar actually goes back and creates 4:3 and 16:9 versions of their movies, repositioning the virtual camera

Their preferred ratio is almost always 2.35:1, which is why that's on the Blu-ray

steve_dave · 03-15-2009, 05:30 AM

Except that in the case of HDTV broadcasts, Pixar generally does not alter the film for 1.78:1 themselves.

Finding Nemo was on ABC HD and it was OAR. Cars is cropped on the sides to fill 1.78:1. All ABC HD, ABC Family HD, Disney HD, Disney XD HD, and ESPN HD broadcasts are in 720p so you are not physically able to get 1080i from these. Your TV would have to do the upconversion if it can. That means that the Blu-ray Disc offers the best picture with full 1080p and best sound with PCM 5.1 (the HD broadcast is Dolby Digital 5.1).

Shows like Lost and Grey's Anatomy also gain picture quality on BD since, again, they are going from 720p to 1080p.

As for shows being stretched, all the newly produced shows (Chuck, Cold Case, My Name is Earl) are all native 1.78:1 and either cropped on the sides for 1.33:1 or letterboxed. My Name Is Earl even played with the wider aspect ratio of HDTV with special easter eggs that can only be seen in the HD broadcast but lost in the SD. Even The Simpsons joked about high-definition during their first HD episode.

03-15-2009, 12:16 AM	#1
djluis2k6 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007	Cars on Blu-Ray Vs. Cars on HDTV Cars has an Aspect Ratio of 2.40:1, and it does have black bars on its BD release. Here's the question, why is it that they will keep some movies in their true Aspect Ratio on HDTV, while others, including Cars, will display them in full screen ratio? Does this mean that a full screen type aspect ratio was also made, or what? Because the picture isn't stretched or anything, it looks just as good as the Blu-Ray version looks with black bars.

03-15-2009, 01:06 AM	#12
RazMansReality Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Moraine, Ohio Blu-ray collection:81	^ Really? Huh I always thought 1080i was a lower from of HD. The WWE broadcasts in 1080i it looks really low quality compared to the p settings. Thanks for that I'll give it a try. Last edited by RazMansReality; 03-15-2009 at 01:09 AM.

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03-15-2009, 12:21 AM	#2
matt2009 Active Member Member since:Jan 2009 Blu-ray collection:48	watched this in hd on sky and it had black bars it looked good but not as sharp or clear as my bluray does

03-15-2009, 12:29 AM	#6
brett_day Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Moore, Oklahoma Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:45 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	it is really hard to compare blu ray animation to animation that is played over cable and satellite because the animation is so flawless, especially the newer pixar stuff! My jaw still drops to the floor when i pop in cars on blu! absolutely stunning

03-15-2009, 12:42 AM	#9
RazMansReality Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Moraine, Ohio Blu-ray collection:81	^No it does I meant it only goes as high as 720P so I want to get on Blu so I can see it in full 1080p.

03-15-2009, 01:04 AM	#11
SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	They just crop the picture to get rid of the black bars so you're missing the sides of the picture.

03-15-2009, 01:19 AM	#14
RazMansReality Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Moraine, Ohio Blu-ray collection:81	^ OK thanks I'll give it a try. Wasn't actually complaining I just love the full 1080p picture is all.

03-15-2009, 01:22 AM	#15
EricJ Banned Member since:Jul 2007 Location:The Paradise of New England Blu-ray collection:6	Not to mention, just try watching the Blu version via the interactive Spot-the-Cars game... DANG, that one's harder than it looks!

03-15-2009, 01:33 AM	#16
richieb1971 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:89 Blu-ray collection:706 Trading Score:16	1080i has more picture information, it just runs at a slower speed. 720p runs faster, but has less picture information. In other words, with 720p, your getting 720 lines of info at 60 updates a second. With 1080i, your getting 1080 lines of information at 30 frames per second. There isn't much in it to the naked eye.

03-15-2009, 01:36 AM	#17
RazMansReality Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Moraine, Ohio Blu-ray collection:81	OK so I tried it and as far as my cable goes 720p is the highest picture quality. Thanks anyway maygit.

03-15-2009, 01:57 AM	#19
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	With Pixar movies, Pixar actually goes back and creates 4:3 and 16:9 versions of their movies, repositioning the virtual camera Their preferred ratio is almost always 2.35:1, which is why that's on the Blu-ray

03-15-2009, 05:30 AM	#20
steve_dave Blu-ray Duke Member since:Nov 2008 Trading Score:21	Except that in the case of HDTV broadcasts, Pixar generally does not alter the film for 1.78:1 themselves. Finding Nemo was on ABC HD and it was OAR. Cars is cropped on the sides to fill 1.78:1. All ABC HD, ABC Family HD, Disney HD, Disney XD HD, and ESPN HD broadcasts are in 720p so you are not physically able to get 1080i from these. Your TV would have to do the upconversion if it can. That means that the Blu-ray Disc offers the best picture with full 1080p and best sound with PCM 5.1 (the HD broadcast is Dolby Digital 5.1). Shows like Lost and Grey's Anatomy also gain picture quality on BD since, again, they are going from 720p to 1080p. As for shows being stretched, all the newly produced shows (Chuck, Cold Case, My Name is Earl) are all native 1.78:1 and either cropped on the sides for 1.33:1 or letterboxed. My Name Is Earl even played with the wider aspect ratio of HDTV with special easter eggs that can only be seen in the HD broadcast but lost in the SD. Even The Simpsons joked about high-definition during their first HD episode.

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