Lossless Audio: Which takes the cake ?

[mrhonda2]

The title says it all. Beating a dead horse, maybe Highs are meant to sound high and yes lows are meant to sound low. Dolby definately sounds midrange straight across the board. It has been confirmed with Transformers, The Nightmare Before Christmas and others that I would expect nothing but the best sound. Dolby Vs DTS:On paper, the same result. In reality, sorry. How many other things in this world are equal on paper? It is how it is mixed some say. Are all of the Dolby movies mixed poorly? Can't think of even one that stands out..not one.

[JasonR]

The people in the Transformers thread realized they had DRC on, maybe that is your issue? I thought it sounded phenomenal.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by JasonR

The people in the Transformers thread realized they had DRC on, maybe that is your issue? I thought it sounded phenomenal.

Excuse the ignorant question, but what is DRC?

[Sonny]

There are lots of Dolby TruHD BD's that sound "perfect". I'm with you on the fact that TruHD has its ups & downs.... DTS-HD MA & good O'l PCM don't give such a wide range of "perfect" if you will...

[Leon Liew]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Excuse the ignorant question, but what is DRC?

Go to the forum under 'Blu-ray movies and Releases' on the thread
'Transformer Blu-ray is weak' and you'll get your question answered
about DRC.

It's my own opinion here that the older Dolby Digital codec which is a lossy
audio format where it's compressed to the point that DRC is needed in order
to hear more pronounced dialoque amid all the sounds and bass of the movies.

Whereas the newer Dolby TruHd which is lossless does not require any DRC
to control the dialoque in movies.

[mrhonda2]

Nightmare is probably the best TrueHD movie to date, but far from flawless. My set-up is done properly with a system that is more than able to deliver the goods. Maybe it is still too early to judge considering there are still the odd BD coming out solely in lossy format

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

Nightmare is probably the best TrueHD movie to date, but far from flawless.

I'm sure you've listened to all of them.

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

My set-up is done properly with a system that is more than able to deliver the goods.

I'm happy for you. I have ears, and they lead me to a different conclusion.

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

Maybe it is still too early to judge considering there are still the odd BD coming out solely in lossy format

Which has nothing to do with your initial claim.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

Nightmare is probably the best TrueHD movie to date, but far from flawless. My set-up is done properly with a system that is more than able to deliver the goods. Maybe it is still too early to judge considering there are still the odd BD coming out solely in lossy format

Would you please give us the details on your properly finished reference system you used to draw your conclusions? It's always great to see reference level system examples around here.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Leon Liew

Go to the forum under 'Blu-ray movies and Releases' on the thread
'Transformer Blu-ray is weak' and you'll get your question answered
about DRC.

Link please!

[Bageara]

Originally Posted by John72953

Link please!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=63221&page=9

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

The title says it all. Beating a dead horse, maybe Highs are meant to sound high and yes lows are meant to sound low. Dolby definately sounds midrange straight across the board. It has been confirmed with Transformers, The Nightmare Before Christmas and others that I would expect nothing but the best sound. Dolby Vs DTS:On paper, the same result. In reality, sorry. How many other things in this world are equal on paper? It is how it is mixed some say. Are all of the Dolby movies mixed poorly? Can't think of even one that stands out..not one.

You're entitled to your opinion...
but The Nightmare Before Christmas sounds fabulous and not at all "flat."

[JasonR]

Dynamic Range Compression

Dynamic Range Compression is a process for altering audio to make the highest and lowest volume closer together. This is commonly done when encoding audio for DVD sources since they're generally recorded with a range that would cause problems for viewing at home due to the variance in volume.

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/te...ompression.cfm

[Riff Magnum]

Ultimately, it comes down to source material and the care/time/money spent on the current transfer.
Directors and sound engineers that took the time to make everything sound and look perfect and natural from the beginning are gonna reap bigger rewards with the new formats. Obviously the transfer requires the utmost attention to detail as well, but credit and attention need to be placed at the feet of the PEOPLE responsible for the results, not some gizmo or new technology.
I think several people have mentioned before that there are great audio tracks across all the new audio codecs.

[TENSE]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

You're entitled to your opinion...
but The Nightmare Before Christmas sounds fabulous and not at all "flat."

exactly, not all, but some part of the movie; you said it your self!

[blitz6speed]

We need the Blu-ray spec updated, all studios must use DTS HD MA, any studio that wants to use TrueHD gets stabbed. Thanks.

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

We need the Blu-ray spec updated, all studios must use DTS HD MA, any studio that wants to use TrueHD gets stabbed. Thanks.

I think PCM is optimal, but TrueHD is great for early BDP owners. All they get is the lossy DTS core when listening to DTS-HDMA. It is easy to sit back and say get a PS3, or it is great I got a PS3, but just think for a minute that you got a standalone and all of the codecs are technically the same but you have to listen to a lossy DTS core or spend 300-400 dollars on a new player....

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by JasonR

I think PCM is optimal, but TrueHD is great for early BDP owners. All they get is the lossy core. It is easy to sit back and say get a PS3, or it is great I got a PS3, but just think for a minute that you got a standalone and all of the codecs are technically the same but you have to listen to a lossy core or spend 300-400 dollars....

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

We need the Blu-ray spec updated, all studios must use DTS HD MA, any studio that wants to use TrueHD gets stabbed. Thanks.

Yes Master.

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[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by TENSE

exactly, not all, but some part of the movie; you said it your self!

Umm...no...or something?

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

but The Nightmare Before Christmas sounds fabulous and not at all "flat."

[Blu-RayLover]

Originally Posted by mrhonda2

The title says it all. Beating a dead horse, maybe Highs are meant to sound high and yes lows are meant to sound low. Dolby definately sounds midrange straight across the board. It has been confirmed with Transformers, The Nightmare Before Christmas and others that I would expect nothing but the best sound. Dolby Vs DTS:On paper, the same result. In reality, sorry. How many other things in this world are equal on paper? It is how it is mixed some say. Are all of the Dolby movies mixed poorly? Can't think of even one that stands out..not one.

The performance of Dolby TrueHD depends a lot on the bit-rate used to produce the soundtrack for transfer to video. So far, it’s already been reported that “Transformers” does have some technical problem of clarity or distinction from the (standard) 5.1 Dolby core on the disc. As for the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 mix on “Nightmare Before Christmas,” this presentation is flawless and if it doesn’t sound right on any system, then perhaps some adjustments need to be made at either the player or receiver! Certainly, playing the “Nightmare Before Christmas” through direct bit-streaming delivers a soundtrack that is the equal, if not, superior to DTS HD MA! In the coming months, more and more Dolby TrueHD titles in 7.1 will be appearing and this should mark a new beginning to high-quality surround sound.