B&W 684B's vs. ML Motion 12's - Blu-ray Forum

FACSman · 03-14-2012, 07:23 PM

On the fence here so appreciate y'alls input; AVR will be a Pioneer Elite VSX-50.

Upgrading from the Bose in my sig so 2:1 is about all I have room for.

TIA - Rich

FACSman · 03-14-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FACSman

On the fence here so appreciate y'alls input; AVR will be a Pioneer Elite VSX-50.

Upgrading from the Bose in my sig so 2:1 is about all I have room for.

TIA - Rich

Just found out that the B&W's can be bi-amped by the Pio.

Please see the following:

"These were amazing right out of the box. Once I figured out how to bi-amp them (I have a Pioneer Elite SC-35), they really came alive. If you have the ability to bi-amp, these are truly amazing."

Could anyone here verify this and how might it be done?

asrgt · 03-15-2012, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FACSman

Just found out that the B&W's can be bi-amped by the Pio.

Please see the following:

"These were amazing right out of the box. Once I figured out how to bi-amp them (I have a Pioneer Elite SC-35), they really came alive. If you have the ability to bi-amp, these are truly amazing."

Could anyone here verify this and how might it be done?

Yes you can Bi-amp the 684s you normaly take your SBL and SBR channels and set them to bi-amp mode in your reciver each reciver is difrent so i cant advise where the option is on the Pioneer. As for the sound yes i can vouch that the 684s come alive alot more once bi-amped however i cant comment on the Motion 12's as have not heared them.

Goat1 · 03-15-2012, 08:22 PM

Motion 12's sound really nice also.. Nice sound stage.. You can usually get them on New Egg pretty cheap.

FACSman · 03-15-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Goat1

Motion 12's sound really nice also.. Nice sound stage.. You can usually get them on New Egg pretty cheap.

$350 a side at New Egg right now; $30 less than BB.

The B&W 684's are $550 a side but they can be bi-amped; shoudn't need a sub which will make up the price difference.

prerich · 03-16-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FACSman

$350 a side at New Egg right now; $30 less than BB.

The B&W 684's are $550 a side but they can be bi-amped; shoudn't need a sub which will make up the price difference.

Yes, you will need a sub - the 684 is not a true full range speaker.

FACSman · 03-16-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by prerich

Yes, you will need a sub - the 684 is not a true full range speaker.

Agreed; but in an apt., I suspect 40hz to be about as low as I can go without disturbing my neighbors.

Plus, won't I get a better low-end thru the bi-amping?

Goat1 · 03-16-2012, 09:02 PM

You will need a sub.. Newegg has had the ML 12's down to $269 ea..

FACSman · 03-16-2012, 10:55 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm; decisions, decisions, decisions.

OT - (I know this isn't the receiver forum but you guys know what speakers I'm looking at by the Topic; so no Flames or PLONK's please

)

Just got back from BB; now it's between Onkyo TX-NR609 & Pioneer Elite VSX-50.

I know, I know; will ya just go ahead and buy it already?

Goat1 · 03-17-2012, 03:50 AM

Either one .. I have the Onkyo 805 and its awesome.. Can't go wrong with either..

BNWaddict · 03-17-2012, 05:38 AM

Both would be a good choice. I own a pair of B&W CM8s that i love! A little different that 684s but i also just bought a pair of Motion 12's (just for 2 channel audio) and they are killer too!! Tough call, but if you're not going to get a sub i would lean towards the Martin Logans! Kind of weird that the "BNWaddict" is saying that but they are truly great speakers.

Good luck either way!!

callas01 · 03-17-2012, 01:38 PM

for the record, bi-amping with a receivers sbl/sbr speaker terminals will have no effect on the sound of the speakers. Bi-amping with 2 seperate power sources and an active crossover would be a very different process, but you wont be doing that.

I have my personal preference, but you should make up your own mind by listening to them and seeing what you like the best.

BNWaddict · 03-17-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by callas01

for the record, bi-amping with a receivers sbl/sbr speaker terminals will have no effect on the sound of the speakers. Bi-amping with 2 seperate power sources and an active crossover would be a very different process, but you wont be doing that.

I have my personal preference, but you should make up your own mind by listening to them and seeing what you like the best.

Well said!

prerich · 03-17-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FACSman

Agreed; but in an apt., I suspect 40hz to be about as low as I can go without disturbing my neighbors.

Plus, won't I get a better low-end thru the bi-amping?

The advantage of non-active bi-ampiing is very subjective. To truly bi-amp you must use separate amps for each driver and an active crossover. If you want better bass, you should consider a sub and think about pacing and speed when you choose.

prerich · 03-17-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by callas01

for the record, bi-amping with a receivers sbl/sbr speaker terminals will have no effect on the sound of the speakers. Bi-amping with 2 seperate power sources and an active crossover would be a very different process, but you wont be doing that.

I have my personal preference, but you should make up your own mind by listening to them and seeing what you like the best.

Hadn't read you post yet Callas - +1000!!!!!

soundwave628 · 03-17-2012, 06:07 PM

whats this active crossover you guys are mentioning? are they built into amps like emotivas? the AVR? or a separate device.

prerich · 03-17-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by soundwave628

whats this active crossover you guys are mentioning? are they built into amps like emotivas? the AVR? or a separate device.

It's a separate device...look in my galley to see an example of one (Behringer DCX 2496)

03-14-2012, 07:23 PM	#1
FACSman Member Member since:Mar 2012 Location:Intersection of Old US 61 and Old US 49	B&W 684B's vs. ML Motion 12's On the fence here so appreciate y'alls input; AVR will be a Pioneer Elite VSX-50. Upgrading from the Bose in my sig so 2:1 is about all I have room for. TIA - Rich

03-16-2012, 10:55 PM	#9
FACSman Member Member since:Mar 2012 Location:Intersection of Old US 61 and Old US 49	Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm; decisions, decisions, decisions. OT - (I know this isn't the receiver forum but you guys know what speakers I'm looking at by the Topic; so no Flames or PLONK's please) Just got back from BB; now it's between Onkyo TX-NR609 & Pioneer Elite VSX-50. I know, I know; will ya just go ahead and buy it already?

03-15-2012, 08:22 PM	#4
Goat1 Power Member Member since:Jan 2012 Home Theater Gallery:3	Motion 12's sound really nice also.. Nice sound stage.. You can usually get them on New Egg pretty cheap.

03-16-2012, 09:02 PM	#8
Goat1 Power Member Member since:Jan 2012 Home Theater Gallery:3	You will need a sub.. Newegg has had the ML 12's down to $269 ea..

03-17-2012, 03:50 AM	#10
Goat1 Power Member Member since:Jan 2012 Home Theater Gallery:3	Either one .. I have the Onkyo 805 and its awesome.. Can't go wrong with either..

03-17-2012, 05:38 AM	#11
BNWaddict Member Member since:Feb 2012 Location:Waterford, MI	Both would be a good choice. I own a pair of B&W CM8s that i love! A little different that 684s but i also just bought a pair of Motion 12's (just for 2 channel audio) and they are killer too!! Tough call, but if you're not going to get a sub i would lean towards the Martin Logans! Kind of weird that the "BNWaddict" is saying that but they are truly great speakers. Good luck either way!!

03-17-2012, 01:38 PM	#12
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	for the record, bi-amping with a receivers sbl/sbr speaker terminals will have no effect on the sound of the speakers. Bi-amping with 2 seperate power sources and an active crossover would be a very different process, but you wont be doing that. I have my personal preference, but you should make up your own mind by listening to them and seeing what you like the best.

03-17-2012, 06:07 PM	#16
soundwave628 Senior Member Member since:Jul 2011	whats this active crossover you guys are mentioning? are they built into amps like emotivas? the AVR? or a separate device.

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