Problem Playing Blu-ray: PS3 & Samsung - Blu-ray Forum

chadz001 · 07-18-2009, 07:28 AM

I have a Samsung (4-series) TV, like this:

Samsung 40"

And it displays games fine (to a quality that looks of HD). However when it comes to playing blue-rays it generally doesn't display the image that clearly:

- when the actual film plays it's sort of 16:9 format, slightly grainy with big black bars top and bottom.

- it is playing at 1920x1080 (both my TV and PS3 confirm this and I can see a clear difference from the lower 720 setting)

- when watching a blue ray (I've tried a few) occasionally one scene in the film will appear crystal clear and unboudtably HD - note I say a SCENE - it doesn't flicker suddenly - it's at some not so aritrary interval.

- the splash screens that you get as the blue ray is loading tend to be very clear and fill the whole screen.

- it generally seems to upscale DVDs better than it plays Blue ray disks.

This confuses me because - I'd guess it's not a problem with my PS3 as it plays games fine - the blue ray player must be working otherwise it wouldn't display games clearly - right? Also I would not have guessed it to be the TV as it seems to display the odd scene in HD. A nice example is viewing text in the web browser - it is nice and clear.

- I'm using a HDMI cable.

- When I try and setup the output quality from the PS3, it gives me options fro 1080p and 1080i, if I select 1080i it works fine (and that's what I'm using), when I select 1080p, in the past I've seen it flicker as if half manaing to use that setting but generally it doesn't like it.

I get the feeling there is some setting somewhere that I'm missing?

Help please!

Irrob · 07-18-2009, 10:16 AM

Welcome to the site

First of all, it's Blu-ray

Well the first problem is that TV is not 1080p so it will not accept that resolution. I believe the PS3 has an auto option. But you really should set it to 1080i. And make sure your 24fps setting is off!

What movies did you look at? Keep in mind black bars and film grain are normal. The grain has always been in the original film. Blu-ray simply enhances detail so now the grain is noticable. You are less likely to see film grain in animation, movies shot with HD digital cameras or movies that had some sort of filtering process done in studio.

RiseDarthVader · 07-18-2009, 10:23 AM

For the black bars: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=72428

For the grain: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

Why the name Blu-ray?

The name Blu-ray is derived from the underlying technology, which utilizes a blue-violet laser to read and write data. The name is a combination of "Blue" (blue-violet laser) and "Ray" (optical ray). According to the Blu-ray Disc Association the spelling of "Blu-ray" is not a mistake, the character "e" was intentionally left out so the term could be registered as a trademark.

The correct full name is Blu-ray Disc, not Blu-ray Disk (incorrect spelling)
The correct shortened name is Blu-ray, not Blu-Ray (incorrect capitalization) or Blue-ray (incorrect spelling)
The correct abbreviation is BD, not BR or BRD (wrong abbreviation)

chadz001 · 07-18-2009, 03:32 PM

Ah - sorry about the spelling mistake - that was rather stupid.

I'll leave it set at 1080i then, but I think you may have hit the nail on the head in that i recall checking the status of the image displayed to find it was coming up as 24fps. I figured that would just affect the refresh rate and not have an affect on the picture clarity?

I'll have a fiddle and see if I can make sure the fps is set high and post back.

Thank for the help so far!

----

EDIT: I turned off the one of the PS3's settings that seemed to be forcing it to display at 24fps. So it changed to 60fps instead for playing blu-ray.

I just tried 'The Mummy: Tomb of the dragon emporer' (yes, not the best blu-ray to admit to owning). And that's probably one of the graniest I've experienced to date (I thought it may be good quality what with it being a fairly recent special affects film).

I own very few blu-rays as I've not had much positive experience of them over DVDs (with my current set-up). But I tried 'kung-fu panda' blu-ray (rental) the other day and although better than 'the mummy' it wasn't all that clear.

Sonme others:
'Deja vu' - Wasn't very clear.
'The Dark Knight' - not too bad.

I hear 'Wall-e' is a good one to try, so I may get a copy of that.

It just seems that that DVDs (upscaled by the PS3 it seems) appear clearer than the Blu-rays if not little difference so it's somewhat poinless to fork out for blu-ray discs in that regard - which is dissapointing.

Any other suggestions?

neos_peace · 07-18-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadz001

I hear 'Wall-e' is a good one to try, so I may get a copy of that.

It just seems that that DVDs (upscaled by the PS3 it seems) appear clearer than the Blu-rays if not little difference so it's somewhat poinless to fork out for blu-ray discs in that regard - which is dissapointing.

Any other suggestions?

Just got wall-e in the mail simply awesome Blu. As far as the DVD's are concerned your PS3 will UPSCALE them. They will look better then normal. I my self use a PS3 as my player. But the upscale isn't true HD. It's only guessing what the HD would look like. If you could see a upscaled DVD compared to the Blu you will notice a bit of a difference.

Squozen · 07-19-2009, 02:22 AM

I would suggest that the first disc you should buy is a calibration disc like Video Essentials if you don't find Blu-ray much better than DVD - your set must be in torch mode or otherwise improperly configured.

X-Ninja · 07-19-2009, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squozen

I would suggest that the first disc you should buy is a calibration disc like Video Essentials if you don't find Blu-ray much better than DVD - your set must be in torch mode or otherwise improperly configured.

Agreed. Something is obviously wrong...

Irrob · 07-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadz001

Ah - sorry about the spelling mistake - that was rather stupid.

I'll leave it set at 1080i then, but I think you may have hit the nail on the head in that i recall checking the status of the image displayed to find it was coming up as 24fps. I figured that would just affect the refresh rate and not have an affect on the picture clarity?

I'll have a fiddle and see if I can make sure the fps is set high and post back.

Thank for the help so far!

----

EDIT: I turned off the one of the PS3's settings that seemed to be forcing it to display at 24fps. So it changed to 60fps instead for playing blu-ray.

I just tried 'The Mummy: Tomb of the dragon emporer' (yes, not the best blu-ray to admit to owning). And that's probably one of the graniest I've experienced to date (I thought it may be good quality what with it being a fairly recent special affects film).

I own very few blu-rays as I've not had much positive experience of them over DVDs (with my current set-up). But I tried 'kung-fu panda' blu-ray (rental) the other day and although better than 'the mummy' it wasn't all that clear.

Sonme others:
'Deja vu' - Wasn't very clear.
'The Dark Knight' - not too bad.

I hear 'Wall-e' is a good one to try, so I may get a copy of that.

It just seems that that DVDs (upscaled by the PS3 it seems) appear clearer than the Blu-rays if not little difference so it's somewhat poinless to fork out for blu-ray discs in that regard - which is dissapointing.

Any other suggestions?

I'm still not sure how the PS3 forced 1080p and 24fps if your TV isnt capable of doing it. Like the other poster said, calibrate your TV ASAP! My other advice is to set PS3 video settings to auto when applicable, just to be safe. There is no question your settings are screwed up, if Kung Fu Panda "wasn't all that clear"

That is a spectacular transfer. You sure you're not putting us on? Good luck to you.

chadz001 · 07-20-2009, 06:39 PM

Certainly not having you on.

I've fiddled around endlessly with my TV and can't see anything that makes a great deal of difference.

My previous TV was 32" and the PS3 would offer me the options 720p, 1080i, but with this new TV, the 1080p option is available - when I do select it a picture does appear momentarily. Interesting.

I just quadruple checked and the picture is definately clearer on the screens leading up to the film(s). (E.g you get the screen 'universal', and the DVD menu).

I think there must be some discretion in what my PS3 *THINKS* my TV is capable in displaying when it comes to the film feature itself.

Really frustrating as I keep trying blu-rays, seeing the screens leading up to the film all crisp and shiney, then the film itself is not so good. :S

Suppose I should fork out for one of those setup disks.

Thanks for the help!
(any otehr suggestions welcome though)

07-18-2009, 07:28 AM	#1
chadz001 New Member Member since:Jul 2009	Problem Playing Blu-ray: PS3 & Samsung I have a Samsung (4-series) TV, like this: Samsung 40" And it displays games fine (to a quality that looks of HD). However when it comes to playing blue-rays it generally doesn't display the image that clearly: - when the actual film plays it's sort of 16:9 format, slightly grainy with big black bars top and bottom. - it is playing at 1920x1080 (both my TV and PS3 confirm this and I can see a clear difference from the lower 720 setting) - when watching a blue ray (I've tried a few) occasionally one scene in the film will appear crystal clear and unboudtably HD - note I say a SCENE - it doesn't flicker suddenly - it's at some not so aritrary interval. - the splash screens that you get as the blue ray is loading tend to be very clear and fill the whole screen. - it generally seems to upscale DVDs better than it plays Blue ray disks. This confuses me because - I'd guess it's not a problem with my PS3 as it plays games fine - the blue ray player must be working otherwise it wouldn't display games clearly - right? Also I would not have guessed it to be the TV as it seems to display the odd scene in HD. A nice example is viewing text in the web browser - it is nice and clear. - I'm using a HDMI cable. - When I try and setup the output quality from the PS3, it gives me options fro 1080p and 1080i, if I select 1080i it works fine (and that's what I'm using), when I select 1080p, in the past I've seen it flicker as if half manaing to use that setting but generally it doesn't like it. I get the feeling there is some setting somewhere that I'm missing? Help please!

07-18-2009, 03:32 PM	#4
chadz001 New Member Member since:Jul 2009	Ah - sorry about the spelling mistake - that was rather stupid. I'll leave it set at 1080i then, but I think you may have hit the nail on the head in that i recall checking the status of the image displayed to find it was coming up as 24fps. I figured that would just affect the refresh rate and not have an affect on the picture clarity? I'll have a fiddle and see if I can make sure the fps is set high and post back. Thank for the help so far! ---- EDIT: I turned off the one of the PS3's settings that seemed to be forcing it to display at 24fps. So it changed to 60fps instead for playing blu-ray. I just tried 'The Mummy: Tomb of the dragon emporer' (yes, not the best blu-ray to admit to owning). And that's probably one of the graniest I've experienced to date (I thought it may be good quality what with it being a fairly recent special affects film). I own very few blu-rays as I've not had much positive experience of them over DVDs (with my current set-up). But I tried 'kung-fu panda' blu-ray (rental) the other day and although better than 'the mummy' it wasn't all that clear. Sonme others: 'Deja vu' - Wasn't very clear. 'The Dark Knight' - not too bad. I hear 'Wall-e' is a good one to try, so I may get a copy of that. It just seems that that DVDs (upscaled by the PS3 it seems) appear clearer than the Blu-rays if not little difference so it's somewhat poinless to fork out for blu-ray discs in that regard - which is dissapointing. Any other suggestions? Last edited by chadz001; 07-18-2009 at 03:58 PM.

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07-18-2009, 10:16 AM	#2
Irrob Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:USA Home Theater Gallery:49 4K collection:61 Blu-ray collection:880 DVD collection:16 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:91	Welcome to the site First of all, it's Blu-ray Well the first problem is that TV is not 1080p so it will not accept that resolution. I believe the PS3 has an auto option. But you really should set it to 1080i. And make sure your 24fps setting is off! What movies did you look at? Keep in mind black bars and film grain are normal. The grain has always been in the original film. Blu-ray simply enhances detail so now the grain is noticable. You are less likely to see film grain in animation, movies shot with HD digital cameras or movies that had some sort of filtering process done in studio.

07-18-2009, 10:23 AM	#3
RiseDarthVader Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Australia Blu-ray collection:136	For the black bars: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=72428 For the grain: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html Why the name Blu-ray? The name Blu-ray is derived from the underlying technology, which utilizes a blue-violet laser to read and write data. The name is a combination of "Blue" (blue-violet laser) and "Ray" (optical ray). According to the Blu-ray Disc Association the spelling of "Blu-ray" is not a mistake, the character "e" was intentionally left out so the term could be registered as a trademark. The correct full name is Blu-ray Disc, not Blu-ray Disk (incorrect spelling) The correct shortened name is Blu-ray, not Blu-Ray (incorrect capitalization) or Blue-ray (incorrect spelling) The correct abbreviation is BD, not BR or BRD (wrong abbreviation)

07-19-2009, 02:22 AM	#6
Squozen Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Melbourne, Australia Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:80	I would suggest that the first disc you should buy is a calibration disc like Video Essentials if you don't find Blu-ray much better than DVD - your set must be in torch mode or otherwise improperly configured.

07-20-2009, 06:39 PM	#9
chadz001 New Member Member since:Jul 2009	Certainly not having you on. I've fiddled around endlessly with my TV and can't see anything that makes a great deal of difference. My previous TV was 32" and the PS3 would offer me the options 720p, 1080i, but with this new TV, the 1080p option is available - when I do select it a picture does appear momentarily. Interesting. I just quadruple checked and the picture is definately clearer on the screens leading up to the film(s). (E.g you get the screen 'universal', and the DVD menu). I think there must be some discretion in what my PS3 THINKS my TV is capable in displaying when it comes to the film feature itself. Really frustrating as I keep trying blu-rays, seeing the screens leading up to the film all crisp and shiney, then the film itself is not so good. :S Suppose I should fork out for one of those setup disks. Thanks for the help! (any otehr suggestions welcome though)

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