Future of Bond?

[SonOfArathorn]

Watched QoS and CR this weekend in a mini marathon of Bond and got to wondering where the franchise will go from here. I've got a small hope, that may or not be shared by all that they start remaking the old Bond novels.
They've set-up the QUANTUM organization as the replacement for SPECTRE and done a quality reboot fo the franchise so my hope is that they start redoing some of the older ones like From Russia with Love and Dr. No.

Anyone heard anything?

Any thoughts or ideas on where you think it might be headed.

I for one am happy that they are closer to the character in the novels with Daniel Craig while still pleasing Bond fans who are used to how he behaves in the movies.

[horseflesh]

No offence, but that's a terrible idea.

[Nick VanWilder]

I like where the bond movies are going ive been a fan for 24 years but I hope they dont remake them bc they are classics and need to stay that way.

plus I like daniel craig but he does not need to try and redue seans movies very bad idea

[RebelJeeper]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

No offence, but that's a terrible idea.

+1...I think most would agree as with Never Say Never Again, reboots suck...keep rolling out fresh new Bond flicks.

[Grevlin]

We need another space-based Bond flic!

Floating Bond babes!

[SonOfArathorn]

I only suggest it because the original stories i.e. actual Fleming novels tend to make better Bond films if they adhere to the story even a little bit (not so in the case of Moonraker, which I still don't mind all that much).
Even the original movies were pretty far from the books and so could be remade closer to the novels and IMO they'd be pretty damn good.
I do not mean to suggest that Daniel Craig should try to be Connery (and in the case of NSNA it was McClory, who'd had the thunderball rights who remade that one) but try to be the James bond from Fleming's novels, as he's done a relatively good job so far.

The stories that the producers dream up are not nearly as good as the ones that came from novels.

I thought for sure I wouldn't be the only Bond lover with this wish, hopefully someone comes along who sees what I'm getting at.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

No offence, but that's a terrible idea.

+1

remake bond is the worst idea possible

[alposnacks]

If they were to ever remake a Bond movie, I'd want it to be Moonraker with the plot of the novel, since it's by far my favorite James Bond novel.

However, I absolutely LOVE the Moore movie...it's just that I think the book's plot would also make a great film.


That being said, I don't think remaking Bond movies is a good idea, at least not now.

[SonOfArathorn]

Wow, worst idea possible?

I can think of a thousand things worse than remaking old Bond movies with new and updated effects and digitial photography, new filmmaking techniques etc.

Again, let me state that I want them to remake the BOND NOVELS that were already made into movies, into new movies. The older Connery Bond films were not so faithful to the character or the stories and they could all benefit from some modern day TLC. If they proved anything with Casino Royale it was that they could do a Bond novel correctly, with less of the one liners and gadgets and more of the dark side of the Bond character.

He's a much darker character in the novels than he was in most of the films.

Not saying the older Bond movies weren't amazing, I've loved them all. But I like the books better, always have. Just want the producers to treat the novels right, Bond wasn't as established in the 60's and so they had to dress it up a bit and do things to the story to please and attract audiences, they don't really need to do that anymore and so can present the novels in a way that they wouldn't come off as remakes of the films we Bond lovers know and love.

I think it would be better than another "Die another day" or "View to a Kill"

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

No offence, but that's a terrible idea.

agreed. That is a horrid idea

They have already been doing some pre-production stuff regarding Bond 23 already according to mi6.co.uk

[crops85]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

No offence, but that's a terrible idea.

+1

[SonOfArathorn]

Could those of you who seem to think that remaking old Bond novels is the most terrible thing that could happen please give more than a "that's a horrid idea" as a response? It adds nothing to the thread,

I intended to start a discussion, and was hoping that actual Bond freaks like myself could have more than a mudslinging festival of "bad idea" "horrid idea" and my personal favorite "worst possible idea".

I've given a pretty sound place to start as far as where the idea comes from. Anyway feel like actually discussing it?

[pEgLeG]

No offense but this idea is just as lame as Will Smith wanting to be Bond.

[SonOfArathorn]

Wow....


Apparently I am the only one who thinks this is a good idea, and actually has reasons why.

Well I still hope it happens... if it does I guarantee all of you who hate the idea will still go see it. Anyway I can't wait to hear what's next for 007

[Gremal]

I can't speak for the others, but I would be opposed to it for several reasons. Many of the "classic" Bond movies revolved around cold war plots, and now that the cold war is over they wouldn't really work. The reason CR and QoS work so well is they are updated to make sense in the present day, with cell phones, laptops, GPS and other modern devices that would have been gimmicks in Connery's movies just being normal tools of the trade. Also the idea of Craig's Bond going after new villains has a lot of appeal to me. Rehashing the old stories might not work as well.

[drobswim13]

Ok, fine, I will give you reasons as to why this idea is not the best choice for the future of Bond.

Reason 1: Many people who see Bond films have seen the previous ones, and remaking those would be a good reason for them to wait and see it at a later date when they can give it a dollar rental somewhere and not pay 8 bucks to go see it in the theater because they love the originals so much.

Reason 2: As stated in the post before me, many of the Bond films had to do in some areas with the Cold War. That is how Bond was tailored when the Cold War was still active, as a hero that could take on anyone about ready to take over the world due to nuclear threats or whatever. I'm not saying that the enemies of today don't want the same thing, but Bond is put together a bit different (more like a rebel rather than a true hero, but still with good intentions)

Reason 3: Replacing Craig with Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, or Brosnan would be a big mistake because fans have grown up with those Bonds, even if they haven't liked all of them. I know quite a few people who think Craig is not nearly as good as some of his predeccessors, so a replacement would take a big chunk out of the "die hard Bond fans" market.

Reason 4: Those movies are classics, don't remake them!!!! (Simple reason but a reason all the same)

Reason 5: We have seen what a remake of a Bond film has done, and even with the same actor. And we all know how it faired against the original

Those are some reasons I can think of. Some may be a little repetitive but I just think that remaking any JB film is a waste of money and time for Craig and EON.

[Jaguar007]

I would not want to see EON remake the old Bond films. However, I would like to see them use elements of Fleming's books that did not make it into the films. Example: The film of You Only Live Twice had very little to do with the book. I would like to see a Bond movie following the plot of the book YOLT. Call it Shatterhand (a name of a villian in the book who actually turns out to be Blofeld). I think Bond could be sent after Dr. Shatterhand and have him actually be Mr. White.

[SonOfArathorn]

See Jaguar.. THIS was where I was going with this thread. I don't want them to remake the "classic" Bond films just for the hell of it, but rather remake the NOVELS (honestly how many times can I all caps this) into new films, and actually do them justice. Some of them they just took the title of the novel and added an entirely unrelated storyline, so they wouldn't be remaking the old Bond films so much as readapting the novels.

Honestly I have to wonder how many have even read the novels.

Again and to make it clear ... READAPT THE BOND NOVELS AND DO THEM JUSTICE. If that involves taking a previously adapted movie and redoing it then so be it. And to counter a previous point, if they redid CR for a modern age they can do it with them all and still retain the nuggets of story essential to the novels.

There is so much left in the books they've never even touched upon and it would be awesome for that material to finally see the light of day.
Also, we had a discussion at the house this weekend about the very same thing Jag, Mr. White shaping up to be the Blofeld type character of the new rebooted franchise. And let us not forget that SPECTRE wasn't even from the novels, it was a replacement name for SMERSH which I believe was some sort of KGB-esque Russin secret service orginization

I would be thrilled for EON to at least think about it, I know they have license to create whatever stories they want but Felming's vision is already there, waiting to be transferred the right way. They're off to a good start though, whatever they decide to do

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by pEgLeG

There's no need to stomp your feet, princess
You had an idea, some people didn't like it. Deal with it.

i don't believe that was the OP's point...i believe what he is getting at is that it's not really constructive to simply add "bad idea," "disagree," "+1" etc to the thread. he had an idea and wanted to discuss it with people...even if you agree or disagree, good discussions don't come from people simply spouting out one-liners without offering any sort of explanation. just my .02

for the record, i dont think that making more movies out of the novels is a great idea. this is a new era for bond and the movies should reflect that with new ideas and new stories (i.e. ones that haven't graced the screen before). imo, the old ones--regardless of how faithful they were--is what exists for the book adaptations, and that's that.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by SonOfArathorn

See Jaguar.. THIS was where I was going with this thread. I don't want them to remake the "classic" Bond films just for the hell of it, but rather remake the NOVELS (honestly how many times can I all caps this) into new films, and actually do them justice. Some of them they just took the title of the novel and added an entirely unrelated storyline, so they wouldn't be remaking the old Bond films so much as readapting the novels.

Honestly I have to wonder how many have even read the novels.

Again and to make it clear for every simpleton that comes afterwards... READAPT THE BOND NOVELS AND DO THEM JUSTICE. If that involves taking a previously adapted movie and redoing it then so be it. And to counter a previous point, if they redid CR for a modern age they can do it with them all and still retain the nuggets of story essential to the novels.

There is so much left in the books they've never even touched upon and it would be awesome for that material to finally see the light of day.
Also, we had a discussion at the house this weekend about the very same thing Jag, Mr. White shaping up to be the Blofeld type character of the new rebooted franchise. And let us not forget that SPECTRE wasn't even from the novels, it was a replacement name for SMERSH which I believe was some sort of KGB-esque Russin secret service orginization

I would be thrilled for EON to at least think about it, I know they have license to create whatever stories they want but Felming's vision is already there, waiting to be transferred the right way. They're off to a good start though, whatever they decide to do

Ok, this post makes much more sense than your original post. If you would have said this in the beginning you would have gotten a much more open minded discussion about this, and not a close minded one like we all gave you. So I apologize for that.