Ed-a2-300

[los53]

Sorry if this question had been posted, what are the best cables to get to connect this woofers links would be much appreciated Thanks Members.

[erict]

Originally Posted by los53

Sorry if this question had been posted, what are the best cables to get to connect this woofers links would be much appreciated Thanks Members.

Here you go... linked a 25' but they offer different lengths.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

[4x12]

This would be good

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

and this

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

[progers13]

Originally Posted by los53

Sorry if this question had been posted, what are the best cables to get to connect this woofers links would be much appreciated Thanks Members.

Congrats on your purchase, and welcome to the club. All you need is a sub cable (any sub cable will do, so don't get sucked into thinking you need to spend $50 on a Monster sub cable - you can get an inexpensive one from Radio Shack or Monoprice.com) and a Y-adapter (also, no need to break the bank). The only criteria you would need to consider is length of the cable and make sure it is shielded. Other than that, enjoy.

Read THIS post by Big Daddy to see all the different options you have to choose from.

Also, make sure you post in the Elemental Designs subwoofer thread HERE, as there are plenty of us roaming that thread to answer your questions.

[callas01]

http://store.audioholics.com/product...r-interconnect

I bought this one, and all my y-spliters too from audioholics, good quality, there were some better ones at $28, but this should do just fine, there is FREE SHIPPING on everything and they sent it out really quickly.

[The Reaper]

I thought a Y-Splitter wasn't necessary.....a lot of threads I've read said that the Y-Splitter isn't needed. If it makes the Sub response better than I will pick one up on my way home

[4x12]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I thought a Y-Splitter wasn't necessary.....a lot of threads I've read said that the Y-Splitter isn't needed. If it makes the Sub response better than I will pick one up on my way home

It isnt... but getting one will add a few extra 3db to 6db of input gain. And, according to Brett @ eD, will help the sub wake up a little faster. At $3 won't hurt to try it out.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I thought a Y-Splitter wasn't necessary.....a lot of threads I've read said that the Y-Splitter isn't needed. If it makes the Sub response better than I will pick one up on my way home

It isn't necessary, but I recommend it.

Originally Posted by 4x12

It isnt... but getting one will add a few extra db's and, according to Brett @ eD, will help the sub wake up a little faster. At $3 won't hurt to try it out.

Correct. The sub will get an additional 3 ~ 6 dbs of output.

[GregBe]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I thought a Y-Splitter wasn't necessary.....a lot of threads I've read said that the Y-Splitter isn't needed. If it makes the Sub response better than I will pick one up on my way home

It is not at all necessary. You will see some posts say that it increases the gain by 3-6dB, which I guess it does technically, but it in no way increases the performance of your sub. Think about it...a 3-6dB gain is the equivilant of adding a second identical sub. Don't you think every sub manufacturer would ship one of these with all of their subs if it increased performance.

[los53]

You guys are awesome, I don't know where I'd be with out you guys Thanks for all the answers =P

[GregBe]

Originally Posted by 4x12

It isnt... but getting one will add a few extra db's and, according to Brett @ eD, will help the sub wake up a little faster. At $3 won't hurt to try it out.

Is this really a problem for you guys? I have never had a problem with my sub waking up. If it is, a cheaper option would be to increase the sub trim level in the receiver by 3dB, and decrease the gain level on the back of the sub by the same 3dB.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by GregBe

It is not at all necessary. You will see some posts say that it increases the gain by 3-6dB, which I guess it does technically, but it in no way increases the performance of your sub. Think about it...a 3-6dB gain is the equivilant of adding a second identical sub. Don't you think every sub manufacturer would ship one of these with all of their subs if it increased performance.

Originally Posted by GregBe

Is this really a problem for you guys? I have never had a problem with my sub waking up. If it is, a cheaper option would be to increase the sub trim level in the receiver by 3dB, and decrease the gain level on the back of the sub by the same 3dB.

Take it from an owner of two A2-300 subs. I am constantly testing and tweaking my setup with test tones and an SPL meter. 3 ~ 6 dbs makes a big difference, particularly in single sub environments where bass response is already uneven. Headroom can become an issue, and if you can get an extra 3 ~ 6 dbs without adjusting the gain, then you give yourself more headroom. And for what, a few bucks? Like 4x12 said, it's a no brainer.

[GregBe]

Originally Posted by progers13

Take it from an owner of two A2-300 subs. I am constantly testing and tweaking my setup with test tones and an SPL meter. 3 ~ 6 dbs makes a big difference, particularly in single sub environments where bass response is already uneven. Headroom can become an issue, and if you can get an extra 3 ~ 6 dbs without adjusting the gain, then you give yourself more headroom. And for what, a few bucks? Like 4x12 said, it's a no brainer.

This is the exact reason why I think it is misleading to people to post that by adding a splitter, you can increase the gain by 3-6dB. Many people will misinterpret it to mean exactly this. I agree that 3-6dB does make a HUGE difference in headroom, but the splitter is not giving you that. What it does get you is 3-6dB in gain...it does nothing for performance.

That is like saying that by increasing your sub trim level in your receiver by 3-6dB will get you an additional 3-6dB in headroom/performance. We all know that, yes, it does increase the gain by 3-6dB, but does it make your sub more powerful, increase headroom or increase the performance of you sub? Of course it doesn't, it just increased the gain by 3-6dB. A splitter does the same thing.

I guess you could go with the logic, that it doesn't hurt, and for $3 dollars, what do you have to lose. OK, but there are a milliion and one things you can do that won't hurt, but why advise people to do it if it doesn't really help. I think there is a greater chance that people will misinterpret the information, as Progers did, that by adding a splitter will increase headroom.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by GregBe

This is the exact reason why I think it is misleading to people to post that by adding a splitter, you can increase the gain by 3-6dB. Many people will misinterpret it to mean exactly this. I agree that 3-6dB does make a HUGE difference in headroom, but the splitter is not giving you that. What it does get you is 3-6dB in gain...it does nothing for performance.

That is like saying that by increasing your sub trim level in your receiver by 3-6dB will get you an additional 3-6dB in headroom/performance. We all know that, yes, it does increase the gain by 3-6dB, but does it make your sub more powerful, increase headroom or increase the performance of you sub? Of course it doesn't, it just increased the gain by 3-6dB. A splitter does the same thing.

I guess you could go with the logic, that it doesn't hurt, and for $3 dollars, what do you have to lose. OK, but there are a milliion and one things you can do that won't hurt, but why advise people to do it if it doesn't really help. I think there is a greater chance that people will misinterpret the information, as Progers did, that by adding a splitter will increase headroom.

Who is misinterpreting information? I know what it did in my system. By boosting the output by 3 ~ 6 dbs, it allowed me to lower my gain on the subs to get the same level of output, thus adding headroom.

[GregBe]

Originally Posted by progers13

Who is misinterpreting information? I know what it did in my system. By boosting the output by 3 ~ 6 dbs, it allowed me to lower my gain on the subs to get the same level of output, thus adding headroom.

I swear I am not trying to be confrontational here

Think about this...Let's say for example someone has a $3700 JL Audio F113 sub. He is entertaining adding a second $3700 JL Audio F113 sub to gain an additional 3-6dB of headroom. Are you suggesting he can obtain the same increase in headroom by adding a $3 splitter?

[erict]

It's not a 3db to 6db of sub output gain but rather 3db to 6db of input gain to the sub which in turn helps wake it up.

[GregBe]

Originally Posted by erict

It's not a 3db to 6db of sub output gain but rather 3db to 6db of input gain to the sub which in turn helps wake it up.

Exactly! Those were the words I was looking for. Changing the input gain on your sub does nothing for the performance of your sub. Like I said, it is the same concept as upping your trim level on your receiver and hoping for an increas in sub performance.

[erict]

Originally Posted by GregBe

Exactly! Those were the words I was looking for. Changing the input gain on your sub does nothing for the performance of your sub. Like I said, it is the same concept as upping your trim level on your receiver and hoping for an increas in sub performance.

And to just give an quick example.....if you have you're AVR's subs level at 0db and you're subs gain at the 12o'clock position and then connect a y-adapter you will more then likely have to turn the subs gain down to the 11o'clock position because of the increased input to obtain the same level you had you're sub at before

[kraig1]

Originally Posted by erict

And to just give an quick example.....if you have you're AVR's subs level at 0db and you're subs gain at the 12o'clock position and then connect a y-adapter you will more then likely have to turn the subs gain down to the 11o'clock position because of the increased input to obtain the same level you had you're sub at before

Would it then be more advantageous to decrease the gain in the avr than the subs gain back, so that you would not be taking any thing away from the avr and just the subs amp? ( forgive my ignorance if this makes no sense)

[kraig1]

Originally Posted by erict

And to just give an quick example.....if you have you're AVR's subs level at 0db and you're subs gain at the 12o'clock position and then connect a y-adapter you will more then likely have to turn the subs gain down to the 11o'clock position because of the increased input to obtain the same level you had you're sub at before

Would it then be more advantageous to decrease the gain in the avr than the subs gain back, so that you would not be taking any thing away from the avr and just the subs amp? ( forgive my ignorance if this makes no sense) Or is 0db the objective setting in the avr?