Please Stop Being Addicted To Emotiva!!!!

[Opips2]

I heard people said Emotiva Amplifier is so awesome. it's better sound.



still same as other a brand company amplifier?

for example
rotel, outlaw audio, and JBL amplifier etc......same enchanced sound???

YES or NO?

[sheedoe]

Actually Emotiva doesn't sound enhanced at all. It sounds very neutral, as quality amps are supposed to .

Its the amps in the low-end receivers that sound enhanced, especially on the high end frequencies to give you a "wow" effect. They are compensating for their lack of raw power. Emotiva does not!

[Opips2]

Originally Posted by sheedoe

Actually Emotiva doesn't sound enhanced at all. It sounds very neutral, as quality amps are supposed to .

Its the amps in the low-end receivers that sound enhanced, especially on the high end frequencies to give you a "wow" effect. They are compensating for their lack of raw power. Emotiva does not!

thanks,

People are hype about Emotiva!!!

[sheedoe]

Originally Posted by Opips2

thanks,

People are hype about Emotiva!!!

And their pricing is also a factor. I bought my IPS-1 for ~$1200 last year. You can now get the UPA-7 for half that. Thats a steal @ that price!

[Big Daddy]

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Very true. The other problem here though is that for many (including myself!) it's their first real foray into home theater audio. So... of course it blows away the TV speakers, or the HTiB system they had before, or the Emotiva will sound better (due to the power handling) than their low-end receiver. As such, you get a review without any kind of tempered look at other products. It's why I'm always very careful to relate my experiences with what I've heard and what I own.

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Couldent have said it better ...BRAVO

[Purplegrasshopper]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Here's the problem with your post though. Many, and I'd even venture to say the majority, of people reading these threads (myself included) are new to HTs. They might have a little bit of knowledge here and there, but are for the most part armatures, more so with audio I think than video. When you throw a list of what, 200+ (I didn't count them all) manufactures of subs and amps, that is a little bit intimidating. I don't know anyone who has the time to click on every single one of those links and research every single sub and amp out there. So what ends up happening is that people gravitate towards products that are getting the most attention (i.e. Onkyo, Polk, ED, Emotiva, etc.)

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Very well said! The lack of originallity, or the unwillingness to audition and listen to different speakers/amps/receivers is sort of disheartening when you figure how much money will be spent on these purchases and how long they are meant to last. I'm not trying to slam emotive/polk/ed, but some originallity would be nice around here. I think there are a lot of other great companies that many people are over looking simply due to the fact that all that can generally be found here is the same few brands. All of the companies mentioned above do make good products, but I believe, and I'm sure there are plenty of others that would agree, that there is better to be had for a little more, or even the same price if you shop the used market.

The other thing to remember with Emotiva is that a lot of people haven't exactly heard other amps, so they don't have a way to compare them. Obviously a 200wpc amp will have more dynamics/bass than a 100wpc receiver, hence why a lot of people go nuts and say it's such a great amp, just due to not hearing anything else. I would say take a lot of reviews with a grain of salt. However, there are a few emotiva owners on here that have tried all sorts of amps, so I don't want to make a blanket statement saying that all people who own emotiva are new to amps. I guess what I'm getting at is just do some research before jumping on board with the rest of the members here and do realize there are a lot of great amp/speaker manufacturers out there.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

Right. Emotiva may not be better; but, they are just as good as the amps I've used from B&K, Rotel, Outlaw, Parasound, etc. It's not unreasonable to show a manufacturer that can provide an equal product at a better price a whole lotta love.

[Happycamper]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Why spend more than you have to for a great amp like the Emotiva. Seems silly to me that people are so stuck on the idea of name brands and are willing to shell out 3-4 times as much dinero for the same thing only because it has a name brand/badge.

Emotiva brings something to customers that is not made available by the big name brands, affordable, high quality amps. You can compare cars, but I can point out a few articles where a Corvette out perfomed a Ferrai in a shootout. You can speak of fancy cars compared to a Hyundai but when it comes down to it that Hyundai Geneis is kicking some butt for a whole lot less. Not only that, it has a better warrenty and reliabilty than a Mercedes, BMW............

People no longer need to be rich or snoobs to own seperates, all in thanks to Emotiva. SO I WILL tell anyone looking for a great amp for little money to head over to EMOTIVA. I may not have been around the world of A/V gear for the past 30 years but I like history. Tech has come along way from 30 years ago. I'm sure things were very different 10-15 years ago, but a lot has changed. Emotiva is a direct result of the changes taking place in the A/V world. They could have marketed like all the big boys but they chose to keep cost down. Would you say they were no good if they cost 3K each?

SS amps of the same class and specs will sound the same. Tube amps are a different beast all together.

People can hate on EMO for having a fan fair but maybe it's just EMO envy since some have spent so much more for so much less. I think there needs to be a single thread for EMOTIVA related discusions like they have over at AVS called EMOTIVA EMOTIONS.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

I wish I had more choices...

[Blove23]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

People on this forum sometimes make exaggerated claims about their purchases and push them on everybody. The problem is that most of them have purchased their first amplifier, receiver, speakers, or TV and they need to justify the expenditures.

We have the same problem with Elemental Designs subwoofers. There are many other companies that make great subwoofers. However, ED is all that we hear about. You can find some great subwoofers from these Subwoofer Manufacturers.

Big Daddy you should open a church of audio. Preach brother Preach!

[Ryan Peddle]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Many manufacturers such as the companies listed in the Amplifier Manufacturers make great amplifiers. What makes Emotiva unique is that their amplifiers are very good and cheap. The reason they are cheap is because Emotiva only sells their products through the Internet. You cannot buy Emotiva amplifiers in stores.

Emotiva is not better than other amplifiers. Many people buy Emotiva amplifiers because they are cheaper, not because they are better.

I could not have said it better myself. Emotiva is a stupendous value product. You seriously get more out of the product than the price indicated. But I have had people on various forum make wild claims that Emotive rivals major high end brands like Bryston, Anthem Statement, NAD Master, and Classe, etc.

For many people, the Emotivas are nice improvement over good quality receivers like Denon AVR3310s, PioElite SC25s, and Yammy 3900s. I won't get into the improvements over the models below these.

But I would still pick products from the bolded brands above if budget permits it.

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by Strannix136

How do you justify YOUR overinflated opinions?

That post was made long before Acoustic Audio subwoofers became popular. Let's not get testy here.

[Opips2]

Originally Posted by sheedoe

And their pricing is also a factor. I bought my IPS-1 for ~$1200 last year. You can now get the UPA-7 for half that. Thats a steal @ that price!

WHAT?!?

funny world funny people funny life.

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by Opips2

thanks,

People are hype about Emotiva!!!

Im not .. Im shure most people like em because . They are better than a reciever .....And most probabally never heard anyother HT amp of higher quality...Classe, McIntosh, Tag Mclaren ,,Theta ,, and < Parasound ,, and of course my favorite Halcro .... I had a Musical Fidelity HT-600 and a Parasound (Kind of overrated) Then my Halcro .... So for the Money the Emotiva is a very big bang for the buck product , so thats why people like it , just like the ED A300 sub .... People like it because for the money its an overachiever ...

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by sheedoe

Actually Emotiva doesn't sound enhanced at all. It sounds very neutral, as quality amps are supposed to .
Its the amps in the low-end receivers that sound enhanced, especially on the high end frequencies to give you a "wow" effect. They are compensating for their lack of raw power. Emotiva does not!

Even if that's true, the sound should be more neutral after doing calibration. I do agree that they lack raw power. However, more clean power is needed to reproduce bass below 100 Hz. I think it's in that area where these entry level AVRs fail the most, especially when trying to drive 5 - 7 speakers set to large or full range. Setting the speakers to small and setting the crossover in the 80 to 100 Hz range should ease the power demands on an entry level AVRs leaving more of it's clean power to reproduce the midrange and highs assuming it is properly calibrated. If a decent subwoofer is being used, the sound be ok at normal listening levels.

[sheedoe]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Even if that's true, the sound should be more neutral after doing calibration.

My friend has the Denon 4306 Receiver and Aperion Intimus 6 Series speakers.
I have the Onkyo 885 Pre/pro with Emotiva IPS-1 and RBH TK series speakers.
Both have been calibrated with the built-in Ausyssey multiEQ XT equilizer.

Here's my observation between the two:

My friend's system sounds noticeably brighter and harsher. You can also hear distortions at high volume.
My system has a much more neutral sound. You can comfortably turn the volume way up with out worrying about your ears bleeding. Not to mention there's no distortions at all at high volume.

I'm not trying to push my system on anyone but anybody who heard the difference between a receiver and sperates would probably know what I'm talking about. I've become accustomed to the sound of seperates and could never go back to receiver.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by sheedoe

My friend has the Denon 4306 Receiver and Aperion Intimus 6 Series speakers.
I have the Onkyo 885 Pre/pro with Emotiva IPS-1 and RBH TK series speakers.
Both have been calibrated with the built-in Ausyssey multiEQ XT equilizer.

Here's my observation between the two:

My friend's system sounds noticeably brighter and harsher. You can also hear distortions at high volume.
My system has a much more neutral sound. You can comfortably turn the volume way up with out worrying about your ears bleeding. Not to mention there's no distortions at all at high volume.

I'm not trying to push my system on anyone but anybody who heard the difference between a receiver and sperates would probably know what I'm talking about. I've become accustomed to the sound of seperates and could never go back to receiver.

Back in the 90's although it was for stereo, I had a separate pream and power amp both made by Rotel which might not be high end but it's respectable equipment I would think. I had my Tannoy Sixes (6o9 model) with 8 in. dual concentric drivers hooked up to the Rotel (100 W /Ch). I listened mostly to CDs on my Rotel CD player. So for a stereo setup I know exactly what separates sound like. I sold the Rotel gear before moving to the States since it was all 240V 50 Hz gear anyway. After moving to the States I got into HT but before Blu-ray ever came out but I hung on to the Tannoys in case I wanted to gear up for 2 channel listening again. I bought Energy speakers and recently a Yamaha V663 receiver. I decided to setup the Tannoys using zone B option for stereo listening. I would only listen to the Tannoys in Pure Direct mode so it was just them and the Yamaha's pream/power amp direct. The Tannoys sounded exceptionally well hooked up to my Yamaha 663. I listened to all my favorite CDs and cranked up the volume pretty loud some times but never heard harsh highs, or anything that would drive my wife and daughter out of the room and believe me they have sensitive ears. I would say it sounded as good as when the Rotel pre/power amp separates drove them although that is not a valid comparison since there is no way I can do the DBT. But please accept on my word that sound was superb. Of course the Yamaha wasn't driving 7 speakers, only two. I had done some listening to the CD music over the Energy speaker system that I have for HT movies. I will say this, the quality was different perhaps something was missing like intricate details in the music, but in 7 ch stereo driving all 7 of my Energy speakers to loud listening levels, I never heard any harsh bright highs or sounds that would make my ears or my family's ears ache or hurt. It was a different sort of sound but definitely not painful or harsh.

I am not familiar with your friend's system never owned a Denon AVR or Aperion speakers, but if I were him, I would sell that stuff and get something better. Perhaps he needs to go V663 pre/pro + Emotiva UPA 7. I don't know.

All I can say that's not the listening experience I got with my V663 and Energy speakers (HT) or Tannoys (stereo HiFi).