300 sales number is a proof that people don't care about interactivity

[Petra]

Dear Warner (and MS)

300 Sales number is a proof that we don't care jack about any of your interactivity. Just give us the best picture, audio quality and the lowest price. An extra content or two would be nice, but PQ, AQ and price are really what matter.

So you had your people spent extra hours on doing HD-DVD PiP programming shit, wasting your time and money, and guess what?! BD sales destroyed HD-DVD sales. Why? Because most PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PiP. We just wanna watch movies. So I guess you guys made smaller profit from 300 HD-DVD sales than from 300 Blu-ray.

With that message, just release the Batman Begins and other movies you held up for blu-ray already. Stop hiding behind this 'BD-interactivity' BS that we don't care about.

It's as simple as that PQ, AQ and price.

[grip24]

Originally Posted by Petra

Dear Warner (and MS)

300 Sales number is a proof that we don't care jack about any of your interactivity. Just give us the best picture, audio quality and the lowest price. An extra content or two would be nice, but PQ, AQ and price are really what matters.

So you had your people spent extra hours on doing HD-DVD PiP programming shit, wasting your time and money, and guess what?! BD sales destroyed HD-DVD sales. Why? Because most PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PiP. We just wanna watch movies. So I guess you guys made smaller profit from 300 HD-DVD sales than from 300 Blu-ray.

With that message, just release the Batman Begins and other movies you held up for blu-ray already. Stop hiding behind this 'BD-interactivity' BS that we don't care about.

It's simple as that PQ, AQ and price.

Amen

[High Def Fan]

It seems a lot of people keep saying this, but I just don't see how the sales show this.

If everyone with a high def player had one of each today, and the numbers were similiar, then obviously this is true. But with there being more blu-ray players out there, blu-ray sales are obviously going to be higher. This means nothing more than that.

If you think otherwise, please explain because it just doesn't add up.

[Branden]

i gotta agree with high def fan. the sales figures show it's hd-dvd people don't care about, that there are more BD players than hd-dvd players out there, interactivity is beside the point. people bought whichever 300 disc based on format they can play, not what features came on it.

i don't care for interactivity either, but i DO want it on blu-ray simply for the sake of having one less feature hd-dvd can claim it has over BD.

[GarettP]

I have not even pulled up any of the Special Features and I have watched the movie three times now. It gets better every time!

[Blus Brother]

Originally Posted by Petra

Dear Warner (and MS)

300 Sales number is a proof that we don't care jack about any of your interactivity. Just give us the best picture, audio quality and the lowest price. An extra content or two would be nice, but PQ, AQ and price are really what matter.

So you had your people spent extra hours on doing HD-DVD PiP programming shit, wasting your time and money, and guess what?! BD sales destroyed HD-DVD sales. Why? Because most PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PiP. We just wanna watch movies. So I guess you guys made smaller profit from 300 HD-DVD sales than from 300 Blu-ray.

With that message, just release the Batman Begins and other movies you held up for blu-ray already. Stop hiding behind this 'BD-interactivity' BS that we don't care about.

It's as simple as that PQ, AQ and price.

I agree completely - I have had DVD since the year it came out and NOT ONCE have I ever looked at all the special features or interactive goodies on any disc I have ever owned. They are and will always be dead wrong if they think that alone is going to be their trump card. Now, if they can come up with a holographic image that can go to my refrigerator and bring me a damn beer, then I might convert. On second thought, psyche! wont happen then either. LOLOLOLOL

[BluBerry]

Originally Posted by High Def Fan

If everyone with a high def player had one of each today, and the numbers were similiar, then obviously this is true. But with there being more blu-ray players out there, blu-ray sales are obviously going to be higher.

What do you mean by "more blu-ray players out there"? Do you mean more sold, or more blu-ray players on the market?

[High Def Fan]

Originally Posted by BluBerry

What do you mean by "more blu-ray players out there"? Do you mean more sold, or more blu-ray players on the market?

More sold. Something we already know. Whatever the difference is 10:1, 5:1..etc There ARE more blu-ray players in people's homes.

So, because of that more copies of 300 on blu-ray get sold. I don't see how this can lead to indicating people don't care about interactivity. People own a player - they are going to buy the movie for that player. Only dual format owners can decide if the extras are worth it and these numbers don't give us that info.

[WickyWoo]

All these shows is that there are a lot of HD/action/blood fans out there with PS3s to be honest

[shido]

Originally Posted by High Def Fan

It seems a lot of people keep saying this, but I just don't see how the sales show this.

If everyone with a high def player had one of each today, and the numbers were similiar, then obviously this is true. But with there being more blu-ray players out there, blu-ray sales are obviously going to be higher. This means nothing more than that.

If you think otherwise, please explain because it just doesn't add up.

I agree. This just shows that there are more blu-ray players in peoples' homes than hd-dvd. So who says the PS3 don't count as a blu-ray player now?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by High Def Fan

So, because of that more copies of 300 on blu-ray get sold. I don't see how this can lead to indicating people don't care about interactivity. People own a player - they are going to buy the movie for that player. Only dual format owners can decide if the extras are worth it and these numbers don't give us that info.

That's fair.

But, interactivity isn't enough to get people to decide a format, or decide to not use their BD player in the PS/3 and go HD DVD.

And the bottom line of the PS/3 sales are that if HD DVD is ultimately to win, they would have to sell an HD DVD player to those millions of PS/3 owners. And their numbers are growing at least 10x the number of HD DVD player owners are growing.

[bignickdawg]

I should have pre-ordered when it was still $70

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by bignickdawg

I should have pre-ordered when it was still $70

Wow, you're right. It may be to hold off sales until they handle the DVD owners that might have accidently ordered before the BD tag was added.

10% off is abnormal.

[High Def Fan]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's fair.

But, interactivity isn't enough to get people to decide a format, or decide to not use their BD player in the PS/3 and go HD DVD.

And the bottom line of the PS/3 sales are that if HD DVD is ultimately to win, they would have to sell an HD DVD player to those millions of PS/3 owners. And their numbers are growing at least 10x the number of HD DVD player owners are growing.

All HD DVD needs to really do is stay in the mix until player prices come down enough. Its really about longevity. With Beta and VHS, they were incompatible and weren't ever going to have dual format players.

We will reach a point where people will either A) decide to just buy a player for each or B) combo players reach a price that people will buy the combo.

I know many people here say they don't care about Universal titles, but they do have some good titles. How long will everyone hold out hoping Universal will give in? I bought both simply because I feel this is going to drag on for a long time if not forever. I have an HD Projector and want to get all I can out of it. I think a lot of people will feel this way, especially as prices drop.

300 is rather meaningless I think as far as the format war is concerned.

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by Petra

300 Sales number is a proof that we don't care jack about any of your interactivity.

All I think the 300 numbers prove is that BD has a bigger install base than HD DVD.

There are few people that could choose between the HD formats - most people just choose the one they own.

Though I would agree that if people have to choose between 'limited' features now or waiting for a later release with 'all the features', yeah I guess people tend towards the 'now' option... expecially since there is no guaranty of the latter...

[lokus]

Originally Posted by Petra

Dear Warner (and MS)

300 Sales number is a proof that we don't care jack about any of your interactivity. Just give us the best picture, audio quality and the lowest price. An extra content or two would be nice, but PQ, AQ and price are really what matter.

So you had your people spent extra hours on doing HD-DVD PiP programming shit, wasting your time and money, and guess what?! BD sales destroyed HD-DVD sales. Why? Because most PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PiP. We just wanna watch movies. So I guess you guys made smaller profit from 300 HD-DVD sales than from 300 Blu-ray.

With that message, just release the Batman Begins and other movies you held up for blu-ray already. Stop hiding behind this 'BD-interactivity' BS that we don't care about.

It's as simple as that PQ, AQ and price.

You have to remember though that you probably aren't talking about the average consumer considering it was only about 135,000 discs sold for Blu-ray. I consider it big when you are talking millions but granted, 135k is good for where we are with the format now. Don't get me wrong I am a Blu-ray supporter, but I feel as though HDM hasn't reached the average consumer. Many of the discs that sold were probably fans like us of the Blu-ray format. Really think about it. Why would Blu-ray outdo HD DVD? My guess is its because they have more players in the market, not because of the PiP features.

[phil]

Originally Posted by lokus

You have to remember though that you probably aren't talking about the average consumer considering it was only about 135,000 discs sold for Blu-ray. I consider it big when you are talking millions but granted, 135k is good for where we are with the format now. Don't get me wrong I am a Blu-ray supporter, but I feel as though HDM hasn't reached the average consumer. Many of the discs that sold were probably fans like us of the Blu-ray format. Really think about it. Why would Blu-ray outdo HD DVD? My guess is its because they have more players in the market, not because of the PiP features.

Very Much Agreed but having more players is a HUGE plus for us Blu Ray Backers. The rest of the stuff will just help secure Blu Ray's spot as number one. I mean we're already at the top position. But I can still be thankful for HD DVD's efforts I mean it's how I got my Blu Ray disks for a very resonable price.

[buckshot]

yes there are more players out there for bd, I am glad that hd can finally admit that. even if it is for them to ***** about something else. but if pip and other ''interactive'' features were really that important then why would people be buying them without that feature? and if people are holding back buying the bd until pip is finished, then when it is finished the numbers are going to be huge.

pip would be a nice gimmick to watch 1 time. like all other special features, but is it worth paying more for a disc? no. is it a major selling point for me? obviously not.

as for the movies warner is holding back? I would like to see mid november release dates for all of them after the pip is on new bd players.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by High Def Fan

We will reach a point where people will either A) decide to just buy a player for each or B) combo players reach a price that people will buy the combo.

(A) People overwhelmingly want one device.

(B) Combos will NEVER hit the general adoption price point. NEVER. There's $60 of royalties in one.

For sure, you won't be seeing a $299 one for 2-3 years, at least.

Originally Posted by High Def Fan

How long will everyone hold out hoping Universal will give in?

300 is meaningless, but Universal is crucial?

[High Def Fan]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

(A) People overwhelmingly want one device.

(B) Combos will NEVER hit the general adoption price point. NEVER. There's $60 of royalties in one.

For sure, you won't be seeing a $299 one for 2-3 years, at least.



300 is meaningless, but Universal is crucial?

That's a lot in royalties.. I didn't realize it was that much.

And why do you put words in my mouth? I think 300 is fairly meaningless. Blu-ray outnumbers HD DVD - only way it would mean something is if 300 sold more on HD DVD or had been a lot closers. It seems numbers fall in line with past sales.

Universal is far from crucial, but if they hold on indefinetely with HD DVD and player prices keep dropping and no end is in sight, how long before many blu-ray owners pick up that $99 HD DVD player to watch some of their favorite films?

Patience doesn't seem to be a virtue of many people - how many people paid the Best Buy price for 300, just because they couldn't wait an extra day and save $7 or so on Amazon? You think these same people will wait another year, 2 years or more?