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Old 04-22-2010, 04:03 AM   #1
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Hey I've had blu-ray for a year and 1 month and wanted to know what makes the picture quality. i have a vizio v0370m i know not the best tv. it has 15000;to 1 contrast ratio and only 60 hz but its 1080p.
my girlfriend watches movies with me and she doesn't seem the difference i kinda get mad. and really want to know what makes the best tv to watch a blu ray the hz ,contrast ratio ect please help me understand. im really looking to buy a samsung
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120 hz is much better than 60 hz.

movies are filmed at 24 frames per second. a TV that shows 120 frames per second will work perfectly: show frame 1 five times, show frame 2 five times, etc...show frame 24 five times = 120 frames in one second.

60 frame per second TV doesn't work out the same, 24 doesn't divide into 60 perfectly
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so is that what makes it look better right ? makes it smooth and not a little blurry but what i try to figure out too is why some people say samsung looks better picture quality wise?
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so is that what makes it look better right ? makes it smooth and not a little blurry but what i try to figure out too is why some people say samsung looks better picture quality wise?
When you are watching a movie leave you hz to normal or default, when you are watching sports or a show with allot of movement put it back to 120hz. Bluray movies are only 24 thats why it looks weird when 120 is on because the tv is refreshing faster than the actual movie. 120hz if for television shows and sports not movies.
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so is that what makes it look better right ? makes it smooth and not a little blurry but what i try to figure out too is why some people say samsung looks better picture quality wise?
Samsung just makes way better tv's than vizio. Its all about the panel and the video processor. Thats what tell you how good you pic can get. Also calibration. Im not trying to talk you set down or anything but i wouldn't calibrate your set if i were you. Get a panel with better quality then think about calibration.
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Samsung just makes way better tv's than vizio. Its all about the panel and the video processor. Thats what tell you how good you pic can get. Also calibration. Im not trying to talk you set down or anything but i wouldn't calibrate your set if i were you. Get a panel with better quality then think about calibration.
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Samsung just makes way better tv's than vizio. Its all about the panel and the video processor. Thats what tell you how good you pic can get. Also calibration. Im not trying to talk you set down or anything but i wouldn't calibrate your set if i were you. Get a panel with better quality then think about calibration.
thanks a lot man plan on getting a samsung at 6th ave
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When you are watching a movie leave you hz to normal or default, when you are watching sports or a show with allot of movement put it back to 120hz. Bluray movies are only 24 thats why it looks weird when 120 is on because the tv is refreshing faster than the actual movie. 120hz if for television shows and sports not movies.
This is 100% untrue. You can't change the hertz on the TV, it is ALWAYS displayed at what ever frequency the TV is set to play at. 60hz plays at 60zh, 120hz plays at 120hz, and 240hz plays at 240hz. Blu ray movies can be played at 24 frames per second, and the 120hz and 240hz TVs are able to display that since they are divisible by 24 which means those TVs will be able to display each and every frame.

What you are referring to is the motion interpolation that LCDs are equipped with. This would be things like "auto motion plus" or "motion flow." What this type of software is designed to do is eliminate judder and motion blur. The settings for motion interpolation are adjustable.
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When you are watching a movie leave you hz to normal or default, when you are watching sports or a show with allot of movement put it back to 120hz. Bluray movies are only 24 thats why it looks weird when 120 is on because the tv is refreshing faster than the actual movie. 120hz if for television shows and sports not movies.
I think you're confusing refresh rate with motion interpolation. One has nothing to do with the other.

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This is 100% untrue. You can't change the hertz on the TV, it is ALWAYS displayed at what ever frequency the TV is set to play at. 60hz plays at 60zh, 120hz plays at 120hz, and 240hz plays at 240hz. Blu ray movies can be played at 24 frames per second, and the 120hz and 240hz TVs are able to display that since they are divisible by 24 which means those TVs will be able to display each and every frame.

What you are referring to is the motion interpolation that LCDs are equipped with. This would be things like "auto motion plus" or "motion flow." What this type of software is designed to do is eliminate judder and motion blur. The settings for motion interpolation are adjustable.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I have always felt a TV that has good black levels is what can have the biggest impact on the PQ......
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All this focus on Hz just makes me laugh. What make a great picture?

1) ANSI contrast (not worthless dynamic)
2) Black levels
3) Color accuracy
4) Motion resolution (without the aid of motion interpolation)
5) Panel resolution
6) Ability to display 24p properly

Yes, 5 &6 are at the bottom for a reason, as they contribute the least to a "great" picture versus the other 1-4.
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is this a good tv to get http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014175NE/
and my budget is 2000 what would you recommend thanks

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is this a good tv to get http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014175NE/
and my budget is 20000 what would you recommend thanks
You have a $20,000 budget?
You can get one helluva display for that kind of money.
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Hey I've had blu-ray for a year and 1 month and wanted to know what makes the picture quality. i have a vizio v0370m i know not the best tv. it has 15000;to 1 contrast ratio and only 60 hz but its 1080p.
my girlfriend watches movies with me and she doesn't seem the difference i kinda get mad. and really want to know what makes the best tv to watch a blu ray the hz ,contrast ratio ect please help me understand. im really looking to buy a samsung
1) Black level. It all feeds off black levels....contrast, color, etc.

2) ANSI Contrast-difference between the darkest and brightest part of the picture. No explanation necessary.

3) Accurate color decoder The ability to provide accurate color primaries and secondaries to the rec 709 standard.

4) Sharpness and Clarity the ability to provide dot for dot pixel mapping without overscan, good processing allowing a for a clean/sharp picture without creating edge enhancement or artifacts.

5) Resolution What?? Yes, you read this correctly. Resolving resolution is seating distance dependant. If you aren't sitting within the sweet seating distance for the size of your display, you will not be able to discern the difference between 720P and 1080P. I have seen 720P Pioneer displays with the first four qualities outshine many 1080P displays.

6) hz Very user dependant. If you're not sensitive to motion blur, or if you are mainly watching movies (as I believe you stated), you will be hard pressed to see the advantage in higher hz (in my opinion). Higher hz rates are most advantageous for fast moving sports, which is why this is further down the list.

P.S. Don't get mad at your girlfriend. It took a long time for my wife to admit to seeing much of a difference. My daughter often will watch SD programming when the same programming in HD is available on a different channel, because "it doesn't matter" to her. Most women just don't notice things like this.

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I would check out one of the 2010 models. They have a higher contrast ratio and are less money. I just got the LN40C630 for $719.00 on sale. I think Amazon has it for $809.00. It is a great set. 120000:1 ratio and 120hz refresh rate.
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Is there a reason why you've eliminated plasma from your choices? You can get a bigger plasma display for the same money, and no motion issues.

Not saying anything derrogatory about either one, as I own both. Each has it's own qualities.
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I think you're confusing refresh rate with motion interpolation. One has nothing to do with the other.



Couldn't have said it better myself.
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This is 100% untrue. You can't change the hertz on the TV, it is ALWAYS displayed at what ever frequency the TV is set to play at. 60hz plays at 60zh, 120hz plays at 120hz, and 240hz plays at 240hz. Blu ray movies can be played at 24 frames per second, and the 120hz and 240hz TVs are able to display that since they are divisible by 24 which means those TVs will be able to display each and every frame.

What you are referring to is the motion interpolation that LCDs are equipped with. This would be things like "auto motion plus" or "motion flow." What this type of software is designed to do is eliminate judder and motion blur. The settings for motion interpolation are adjustable.
good catch i did get confused but easy with the name calling hahaha.

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Dude for 2 grand you can get a Panasonic VIERA more the 54 inches. 1080p the whole nine. Panasonic is the best at plasma's IMO. And Plasma displays are the best in the whole line up. Richer colors and true blacks.
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Hey I've had blu-ray for a year and 1 month and wanted to know what makes the picture quality. i have a vizio v0370m i know not the best tv. it has 15000;to 1 contrast ratio and only 60 hz but its 1080p.
my girlfriend watches movies with me and she doesn't seem the difference i kinda get mad. and really want to know what makes the best tv to watch a blu ray the hz ,contrast ratio ect please help me understand. im really looking to buy a samsung
black level, just ordered a un46b8500 grab one before they are gone
best set out there for lcd, of course you can put some people in a Lamborghini
and all they see is a car.
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You can get one helluva display for that kind of money.
lmao sorry 2,000
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Dude take my advice. Plasma's reproduce the best image IMO.
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