The Fountain Aspect Ratio ?

[voiz]

Hi,

I just bought The Fountain and watched it on my brand new PS3. It actually is my first ever blu ray movie experience.

I don't know if anybody noticed this but here goes.

1. The Blu-Ray Box of the movie says the aspect ratio is 1.85:1

2. Normally, when i used to watch widescreen regular DVD movies in 1.85:1 on my LCD TV, there were small black bars on top and bottom, which is fine since it means it keeps the aspect ratio and doesnt zoom in or anything.

3. The Fountain movie played on my PS3, although it has a 1.85:1, did NOT have the black bars. The picture was fitting perfectly my 16:9 tv.

Why is that?! I felt like it was auto-cropping my image without me asking for it, and it looked like i missed some of the image too.

Any comment on that, please?


Thanks alot,
Eric

PS: No, my TV settings were not set as Zoom-in or fit screen or anything like that

[Blu Tiger]

Check the post on aspect ratio's and black bars. 1.85:1 is full screen on a 16:9

[calgarymarc]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

Check the post on aspect ratio's and black bars. 1.85:1 is full screen on a 16:9

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=5528

[voiz]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

Check the post on aspect ratio's and black bars. 1.85:1 is full screen on a 16:9

How come it was not full screen on a regular DVD but now it is on Blu ray?

Because all my 1.85:1 DVD have black bars when i watch them.

If they don't have black bars on a blu ray movie, does it mean I loose some of the image from the OAR?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by voiz

2. Normally, when i used to watch widescreen regular DVD movies in 1.85:1 on my LCD TV, there were small black bars on top and bottom, which is fine since it means it keeps the aspect ratio and doesnt zoom in or anything.

3. The Fountain movie played on my PS3, although it has a 1.85:1, did NOT have the black bars. The picture was fitting perfectly my 16:9 tv.

Why is that?! I felt like it was auto-cropping my image without me asking for it, and it looked like i missed some of the image too.

It could be an overscan setting on your set. Unless you're 1:1 pixel mapping, the overscan will play games.

Gary

[voiz]

Basically, my main concern is this:

Do i lose ANY part of the image when watching a 1.85:1 blu ray movie that fits perfectly my 16x9 HDTV?

[Blu Tiger]

Originally Posted by voiz

Basically, my main concern is this:

Do i lose ANY part of the image when watching a 1.85:1 blu ray movie that fits perfectly my 16x9 HDTV?

No. Are your DVD's Letterboxed? If not, I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that DVD's are only 480p, and a high def signal is widescreen (16:9) starting at 720p (I believe 480p is 4:3). Where is Dec when you need him?

[voiz]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

No. Are your DVD's Letterboxed? If not, I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that DVD's are 480p, and a high def signal is 16:9 starting at 720p. Where is Dec when you need him?

Its getting confusing I know that my HDTV has 1080i and the movie is 1080p..

Dunno if it has anything to do with it.



And i was talking about any DVD i have watched... any of them as 1.85:1 had black bars.

[ClaytonMG]

Is it possible you never set your DVD player to 16:9 and you were just stretching the DVD's picture out? Were the DVD's anamorphic? Did 2.35:1 have bigger black bars?

[voiz]

Deciazulado, all I want is to have the movie on my TV screen keeping its original aspect ratio. I don't mind black bars, as long as I don't loose any of the Image.

So i was afraid that The Fountain in 1.85:1 was filling my 16x9 screen only because there was an automatic cropping that i didnt ask for, thus loosing part of the image.

[Blu Tiger]

See? Dec is the man. I aspire to be like him. So Dec, are you saying that a small part of the picture missing or cropped on anything that isn't 1.78, albeit only marginally?

[Croweyes1121]

The simple answer is this:

The Fountain is SUPPOSED to be 1.85:1, but the studio opted to fill your TV, so they just went ahead and made it 1.78:1 instead. You're barely missing anything. Personally, I don't think there's any excuse for this on an HD format. It's pointless. Obviously, people with displays like most of us are using would rather have that tiny black bar on 1.85:1 films and know that we're seeing the entire image than have things fill our screens completely. This was a trend on DVD and, unfortunately, it's carried over into the HD realm as well. On the other hand, the difference between 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 is so slight that it really doesn't make much of a difference. I'm not even sure if this was your question to be honest, but it is the right answer. lol

[voiz]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

The simple answer is this:

The Fountain is SUPPOSED to be 1.85:1, but the studio opted to fill your TV, so they just went ahead and made it 1.78:1 instead. You're barely missing anything. Personally, I don't think there's any excuse for this on an HD format. It's pointless. Obviously, people with displays like most of us are using would rather have that tiny black bar on 1.85:1 films and know that we're seeing the entire image than have things fill our screens completely. This was a trend on DVD and, unfortunately, it's carried over into the HD realm as well. On the other hand, the difference between 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 is so slight that it really doesn't make much of a difference. I'm not even sure if this was your question to be honest, but it is the right answer. lol

Well yes, this answer is pretty good. But where did you get that information? Do you have any source saying that the blu-ray version is actually in 1.78:1?

Cuz the DVD version is definitly in 1.85:1..

[Croweyes1121]

Well, no, I don't have "proof", per se, but I am watching this film on an LCD monitor, running it dot by dot...films letterboxed at 1.85:1 have a slight bar on the top and bottom. Ice Age 2 comes to mind. But this movie does not. That's all the proof I need, really. It's been reformatted.

By the way, I created this in AutoCAD...

http://www.cleocrazy.com/disingenuou...1.85vs1.78.pdf

The top shows what you're missing if a 1.85:1 movie is reformatted to 1.78.
The bottom shows how a 1.85:1 movie should look if properly letterboxed on a widescreen set.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by voiz

Well yes, this answer is pretty good. But where did you get that information? Do you have any source saying that the blu-ray version is actually in 1.78:1?

Cuz the DVD version is definitly in 1.85:1..

Didn't you read my post (#19)

To think I ripped up a shrinkwrap for you and it was in vain.

[Croweyes1121]

I work with AutoCAD. I just created this diagram to help you understand this issue:

http://www.cleocrazy.com/disingenuou...1.85vs1.78.pdf

The image on the top represents how much picture you're missing if a studio opts to force a 1.85:1 movie to fill your widescreen television. The Fountain is an example of this.

The image on the bottom represents how a movie SHOULD look if it's letterboxed correctly at 1.85:1 on a widescreen TV. Ice Age 2: The Meltdown is an example of this.

Hope this helps! Outta here. )

[HDJK]

^^ Dezi has spoken

[karbon]

As long as you don't see small black bars ontop and below the picture you have overscan set to on.

This movie is 1.85:1, and the AR of 16:9 displays are 1.78:1, meaning you WILL see black bars in the picture.

Some sets don't let you adjust the overscan, it's on by default.

If you do have overscan enabled, you will lose some of the picture, the bars wil be gone and 1:1 pixel mapping won't be correct.

Look for a way to turn overscan off, problem solved.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by karbon

As long as you don't see small black bars ontop and below the picture you have overscan set to on.

This movie is 1.85:1, and the AR of 16:9 displays are 1.78:1, meaning you WILL see black bars in the picture.

Some sets don't let you adjust the overscan, it's on by default.

If you do have overscan enabled, you will lose some of the picture, the bars wil be gone and 1:1 pixel mapping won't be correct.

Look for a way to turn overscan off, problem solved.

WB opened up the image (like they do with pretty much every single one of their 1.85 releases) to fill the 1.78 screen. It's not overscan, it's the encode.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by karbon

As long as you don't see small black bars ontop and below the picture you have overscan set to on.

This movie is 1.85:1, and the AR of 16:9 displays are 1.78:1, meaning you WILL see black bars in the picture.

Some sets don't let you adjust the overscan, it's on by default.

If you do have overscan enabled, you will lose some of the picture, the bars wil be gone and 1:1 pixel mapping won't be correct.

Look for a way to turn overscan off, problem solved.

Originally Posted by iceman_mw21

if ur set is calibrated properly then u should see small black bars with 1:85 movies, u shouldnt see black bars with 1:78 movies

i see black bars on my tv

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

WB opened up the image (like they do with pretty much every single one of their 1.85 releases) to fill the 1.78 screen. It's not overscan, it's the encode.

Why are you guys trying to solve a 3 year old problem?