BD's strengths VS. its weaknesses. - Blu-ray Forum

Lord_Stewie · 08-31-2007, 07:46 AM

hey guys,

thought about having a positive and educative discussions of STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES OF BD. If BD covered or fixed its problems then it holds its place to the ultimate victory. any thoughts from you guys. What do you think should be done to eliminate further problems? What needs to be covered? and what do you think, the BDA group should do, to combat the HDDVD group?

I would like to add some of the strenghths and weaknesses BD has:

1) The ultimate in Hi Def presentation. (Its includes PQ and UNCOMPRESSED PCM)
2) Higher memory capacity. (means more quality presentation. enough memory to hold enough info to present a crystal clear image and excellent sound.)
3) The possibilities of its capabilities. (profile 1.1, BD-J, and more. more interactivity possibility.)
4) security. (means to fight piracy through BD+ and AACS)
5) A promise to its softwares. (and it includes games. higher memory capacity = more to deliver).

Weaknesses:
1) Its player prices VS. HDDVD.
2) Unfortunately BD 1.1 profile isn't completed yet.
3) Interactivity features aren't finalized yet.
4) finally, the BDA group responses aren't as threatning to HDDVD's group.

the only thing slowing down BD's ultimate victory are its weaknesses.

personal opinion, BD holds the promise to an ultimate entertainment experiance. and it should be the FORMAT TO WIIN.

MOONPHASE · 08-31-2007, 08:02 AM

Now lets have someone put up like Hd-Dvd's weaknesses like stupid Combo Format movies that confuse the public to think they will get the dvd version when they are not only Wings of Honneamise does that in the Hd-Dvd version. Plus the combo format is pointless anyways unless you dont have an hdtv but why buy it if you dont even have an hdtv little less buy an hd-dvd player in the 1st place. Better picture on most Blu-Ray copies then Hd-Dvd copies. More formats support Blu-Ray then Hd-Dvd and even more on going for Blu-Ray not Hd-Dvd.

Lord_Stewie · 08-31-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Now lets have someone put up like Hd-Dvd's weaknesses like stupid Combo Format movies that confuse the public to think they will get the dvd version when they are not only Wings of Honneamise does that in the Hd-Dvd version. Plus the combo format is pointless anyways unless you dont have an hdtv but why buy it if you dont even have an hdtv little less buy an hd-dvd player in the 1st place. Better picture on most Blu-Ray copies then Hd-Dvd copies. More formats support Blu-Ray then Hd-Dvd and even more on going for Blu-Ray not Hd-Dvd.

the reason thats not done yet. is because of one small fact. Who here on Blu-ray.com gives a shit about HDDVD. or better yet, not that many people support HDDVD to worry about its means to survive.

MOONPHASE · 08-31-2007, 08:08 AM

well its just some people on here are neutral (definitely not me but there are people on here who support both and ones who just happen to buy the hd-dvd versions of some titles because i really could care less about Hd-Dvd but not everyone on here is like us thats the problem

Lord_Stewie · 08-31-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

well its just some people on here are neutral (definitely not me but there are people on here who support both and ones who just happen to buy the hd-dvd versions of some titles because i really could care less about Hd-Dvd but not everyone on here is like us thats the problem

sure some support HDDVD as being neutral. but i am sure the majority in Blu-ray.com are more leaned and favor BD over HDDVD.

Blu-dock Saint · 08-31-2007, 08:14 AM

Even though it has its weaknesses its still ahead, so I'm not too worried about the downsides of Blu. Besides even with paramount selling out it Blu still has a shitload more that I want coming up this holiday season. In fact the last hd title I'll probably ever buy is the Bourne Ultimatim, wasnt a fan of transformers, in fact the last movie paramount released the past two years that I really enjoyed was shooter, and I have that on Blu of course.

MOONPHASE · 08-31-2007, 08:16 AM

true but since some are neutral i just had to say it if everyone on here was just a blu-ray supporter only like we are i wouldnt need to say that at all

Blu-dock Saint · 08-31-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

well its just some people on here are neutral (definitely not me but there are people on here who support both and ones who just happen to buy the hd-dvd versions of some titles because i really could care less about Hd-Dvd but not everyone on here is like us thats the problem

I'll buy Blu over hd any day. Most of my hd movies are from the 5 free a while back, and of course the bourne movies. Anything that is released on both I buy in Blu, and like my previous post, hd just doesnt have anything else I want after the 3rd bourne.

MOONPHASE · 08-31-2007, 08:19 AM

as for me buying hd-dvds would be about as fun as watching paint dry i mean sure there are good movies that are on hd-dvd that we wont be able to get for a long time on blu-ray but its because of those movies that some people go neutral to this format war even if their collection is mostly Blu

Lord_Stewie · 08-31-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

Even though it has its weaknesses its still ahead, so I'm not too worried about the downsides of Blu. Besides even with paramount selling out it Blu still has a shitload more that I want coming up this holiday season. In fact the last hd title I'll probably ever buy is the Bourne Ultimatim, wasnt a fan of transformers, in fact the last movie paramount released the past two years that I really enjoyed was shooter, and I have that on Blu of course.

so far everything that HDDVD's group took advantage of are BD's weaknesses.

1) prices of its players.
2) interactivity features haven't been delieverd yet.

I honestly think if BD covered those weaknesses, or solved the problems with it, HDDVD won't have anything left to take advantage off. and that means 100% the war is over for them.

BD needs to cover/solve its weaknesses. that would leave nothing for HDDVD group to talk about.

Blu-dock Saint · 08-31-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shadblz

so far everything that HDDVD's group took advantage of are BD's weaknesses.

1) prices of its players.
2) interactivity features haven't been delieverd yet.

I honestly think if BD covered those weaknesses, or solved the problems with it, HDDVD won't have anything left to take advantage off. and that means 100% the war is over for them.

BD needs to cover/solve its weaknesses. that would leave nothing for HDDVD group to talk about.

The main thing about price coming into play I guess would be this holiday season when "J6P" goes to wally world and see's its prices.

What I was trying to say was it didnt have a huge impact so far, but as with paramount, we never know what the future brings.

Lord_Stewie · 08-31-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

The main thing about price coming into play I guess would be this holiday season when "J6P" goes to wally world and see's its prices.

What I was trying to say was it didnt have a huge impact so far, but as with paramount, we never know what the future brings.

all i am saying BD shouldn't give any weaknesses open for HDDVD to have a festival for. if you know know what i mean.

monkyman · 08-31-2007, 12:07 PM

All the weaknesses listed are being taken care of. Cheaper players will come out, Profile 1.1 will be finalized, interactivity will be soon also. And the BDA are going to have there 100 million dollar add campain (Of couse 10 mill is probibly going to Dale Jr., money well spent to those NASCAR fans who watch the races in Hi-def, and need to be aware of this format for movies).

So I think the weaknesses for HD-DVD are much harder if not impossible to make a reality.

tron3 · 08-31-2007, 01:42 PM

A weakness isn't a weakness if you know about it and do something to rectify it. With lots of older technologies, you pretty much got what you got. No such thing as a firmware update for your Laser Disc, vcr, tape deck, stereo, etc.

So, I don't see it as a weakness. Sure, first generation blu-ray players had more issues than consumers expected. But in the case of Sony, the 2.0 firmware finally got the players up to speed. Consumers got what they paid for and are much happier. That's a whole lot better than spending your money on a lemon with no support.

So they are not weaknesses. Let's call them, "Latent bugs which shall be soon corrected".

UlicBelouve · 08-31-2007, 04:14 PM

Is anyone able to give a comment on the differences in subtites? I do enjoy the crisp, accurate subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing . My sister-in-law and her husband are DHH, they enjoy watching the Blu-Rays at our house. I enjoy them being in smooth fonts, and not arriving early or late to the dialog (because I can still hear the dialog). This is a selling point for me, I've gotten more used to subtitles. My wife grew up with subtitles active with everything, so she normally turns them on by default.

I'd love to see greater English subtitles, is Blu-Ray superior to the HD? It is superior to Standard DVDs, how does it stack up to HD-DVD?

jamclaur · 08-31-2007, 04:40 PM

DB has weaknesses?

U4K61 · 08-31-2007, 04:59 PM

Besides lower storage capacity, HD-DVD biggest falt is the combo disc. I see no point in going through the expense of providing standard def. Most players include those infamous composite video connections, which are still used by some even if they own an HDTV. If you require 480i, the HD image can be downconverted for you by the player. So why do we need it as a 2nd option comming of the disc? I wonder how many people purchased HD-DVD and played the standard def by mistake and thought that was as good the movie was suppost to look.

tron3 · 09-02-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jamclaur

DB has weaknesses?

Yeah, one it can't seem to completely shake..... HD-DVD.

We really need a sarcastic emote. Who do we have to kill to get better emotes here? I bet the guys on the HD-DVD forums have nice emotes.

08-31-2007, 07:46 AM	#1
Lord_Stewie Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:396 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	BD's strengths VS. its weaknesses. hey guys, thought about having a positive and educative discussions of STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES OF BD. If BD covered or fixed its problems then it holds its place to the ultimate victory. any thoughts from you guys. What do you think should be done to eliminate further problems? What needs to be covered? and what do you think, the BDA group should do, to combat the HDDVD group? I would like to add some of the strenghths and weaknesses BD has: 1) The ultimate in Hi Def presentation. (Its includes PQ and UNCOMPRESSED PCM) 2) Higher memory capacity. (means more quality presentation. enough memory to hold enough info to present a crystal clear image and excellent sound.) 3) The possibilities of its capabilities. (profile 1.1, BD-J, and more. more interactivity possibility.) 4) security. (means to fight piracy through BD+ and AACS) 5) A promise to its softwares. (and it includes games. higher memory capacity = more to deliver). Weaknesses: 1) Its player prices VS. HDDVD. 2) Unfortunately BD 1.1 profile isn't completed yet. 3) Interactivity features aren't finalized yet. 4) finally, the BDA group responses aren't as threatning to HDDVD's group. the only thing slowing down BD's ultimate victory are its weaknesses. personal opinion, BD holds the promise to an ultimate entertainment experiance. and it should be the FORMAT TO WIIN.

08-31-2007, 01:42 PM	#14
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature. A weakness isn't a weakness if you know about it and do something to rectify it. With lots of older technologies, you pretty much got what you got. No such thing as a firmware update for your Laser Disc, vcr, tape deck, stereo, etc. So, I don't see it as a weakness. Sure, first generation blu-ray players had more issues than consumers expected. But in the case of Sony, the 2.0 firmware finally got the players up to speed. Consumers got what they paid for and are much happier. That's a whole lot better than spending your money on a lemon with no support. So they are not weaknesses. Let's call them, "Latent bugs which shall be soon corrected".

08-31-2007, 04:59 PM	#17
U4K61 Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Connecticut Blu-ray collection:40 Blu-ray reviews:4	Besides lower storage capacity, HD-DVD biggest falt is the combo disc. I see no point in going through the expense of providing standard def. Most players include those infamous composite video connections, which are still used by some even if they own an HDTV. If you require 480i, the HD image can be downconverted for you by the player. So why do we need it as a 2nd option comming of the disc? I wonder how many people purchased HD-DVD and played the standard def by mistake and thought that was as good the movie was suppost to look. Last edited by U4K61; 04-23-2008 at 07:13 PM.

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08-31-2007, 08:02 AM	#2
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	Now lets have someone put up like Hd-Dvd's weaknesses like stupid Combo Format movies that confuse the public to think they will get the dvd version when they are not only Wings of Honneamise does that in the Hd-Dvd version. Plus the combo format is pointless anyways unless you dont have an hdtv but why buy it if you dont even have an hdtv little less buy an hd-dvd player in the 1st place. Better picture on most Blu-Ray copies then Hd-Dvd copies. More formats support Blu-Ray then Hd-Dvd and even more on going for Blu-Ray not Hd-Dvd.

08-31-2007, 08:08 AM	#4
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	well its just some people on here are neutral (definitely not me but there are people on here who support both and ones who just happen to buy the hd-dvd versions of some titles because i really could care less about Hd-Dvd but not everyone on here is like us thats the problem

08-31-2007, 08:14 AM	#6
Blu-dock Saint Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Michigan Blu-ray collection:47 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:67	Even though it has its weaknesses its still ahead, so I'm not too worried about the downsides of Blu. Besides even with paramount selling out it Blu still has a shitload more that I want coming up this holiday season. In fact the last hd title I'll probably ever buy is the Bourne Ultimatim, wasnt a fan of transformers, in fact the last movie paramount released the past two years that I really enjoyed was shooter, and I have that on Blu of course.

08-31-2007, 08:16 AM	#7
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	true but since some are neutral i just had to say it if everyone on here was just a blu-ray supporter only like we are i wouldnt need to say that at all

08-31-2007, 08:19 AM	#9
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	as for me buying hd-dvds would be about as fun as watching paint dry i mean sure there are good movies that are on hd-dvd that we wont be able to get for a long time on blu-ray but its because of those movies that some people go neutral to this format war even if their collection is mostly Blu

08-31-2007, 12:07 PM	#13
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	All the weaknesses listed are being taken care of. Cheaper players will come out, Profile 1.1 will be finalized, interactivity will be soon also. And the BDA are going to have there 100 million dollar add campain (Of couse 10 mill is probibly going to Dale Jr., money well spent to those NASCAR fans who watch the races in Hi-def, and need to be aware of this format for movies). So I think the weaknesses for HD-DVD are much harder if not impossible to make a reality.

08-31-2007, 04:14 PM	#15
UlicBelouve Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Menomonee Falls, WI Blu-ray collection:95 Blu-ray reviews:1	Is anyone able to give a comment on the differences in subtites? I do enjoy the crisp, accurate subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing . My sister-in-law and her husband are DHH, they enjoy watching the Blu-Rays at our house. I enjoy them being in smooth fonts, and not arriving early or late to the dialog (because I can still hear the dialog). This is a selling point for me, I've gotten more used to subtitles. My wife grew up with subtitles active with everything, so she normally turns them on by default. I'd love to see greater English subtitles, is Blu-Ray superior to the HD? It is superior to Standard DVDs, how does it stack up to HD-DVD?

08-31-2007, 04:40 PM	#16
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