Ye olde Bandwidth limitation: HD Fanboy response.

[oscar_in_fw]

Okay, I've tried to argue that bandwidth limitations, not just storage capacity is preventing HD DVD from putting lossless audio tracks on the vast majority of HD DVDs. I toss in "King Kong", "Transformers" and the whopping 85% of HD DVD titles without lossless audio as examples. A couple of the arguments I get back are:

"Superman Returns" 154 minutes, TrueHD
"Batman Begins" - 134 minutes, TrueHD, IME

Toss in the "Matrix" Trilogy and "300" as other examples of HD DVD's capability to compete with Blu-rayesq PQ/SQ.

What's the Blu-ray response, if any ?

Some lame excuse about higher video bitrates means slightly better, perhaps infinitisemally perchievable increase in PQ. Or the PQ on all the aforementioned titles are overrated and could have been better if they moved bitrates from the audio bucket to the video bucket....

The best argument I can come up with is Blu-ray is going to be able to support music videos with reference quality high def video and 5.1 24/96 lossless audio tracks. (I've already had one music producer admit he does not think it can be accomplished on HD DVD because of the bandwidth limitations).

[WickyWoo]

I know for a fact that Superman Returns had an IME track prepared for it. Bandwidth/space must've put the kibosh on it.

[oscar_in_fw]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I know for a fact that Superman Returns had an IME track prepared for it. Bandwidth/space must've put the kibosh on it.

I've give more weight to the "no IME because of bandwidth/space" argument if Blu-ray had an equivalent feature (now, not promised for the future).

[Canada]

Wow 85% of HD DVD's don't have lossless audio glad I am part of the Blu Ray camp . I am pretty up to date with my information on Blu Ray, but what is IME .

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by oscar_in_fw

Okay, I've tried to argue that bandwidth limitations, not just storage capacity is preventing HD DVD from putting lossless audio tracks on the vast majority of HD DVDs. I toss in "King Kong", "Transformers" and the whopping 85% of HD DVD titles without lossless audio as examples. A couple of the arguments I get back are:

"Superman Returns" 154 minutes, TrueHD
"Batman Begins" - 134 minutes, TrueHD, IME

Toss in the "Matrix" Trilogy and "300" as other examples of HD DVD's capability to compete with Blu-rayesq PQ/SQ.

What's the Blu-ray response, if any ?

Some lame excuse about higher video bitrates means slightly better, perhaps infinitisemally perchievable increase in PQ. Or the PQ on all the aforementioned titles are overrated and could have been better if they moved bitrates from the audio bucket to the video bucket....

The best argument I can come up with is Blu-ray is going to be able to support music videos with reference quality high def video and 5.1 24/96 lossless audio tracks. (I've already had one music producer admit he does not think it can be accomplished on HD DVD because of the bandwidth limitations).

Please consult forum archives. This is a recording.

[WickyWoo]

I've give more weight to the "no IME because of bandwidth/space" argument if Blu-ray had an equivalent feature (now, not promised for the future).

Warner has never had a problem doing IME on HD and not on Blu before

Remember, everything is done to the lowest common denominator of HD DVD. Swapping in PCM instead of THD or something in the Blu mux costs them virtually nothing. IME costs a lot regardless of format

[Merlins]

Originally Posted by oscar_in_fw

I've give more weight to the "no IME because of bandwidth/space" argument if Blu-ray had an equivalent feature (now, not promised for the future).

Blu-ray has all the features HD-DVD has and more. What is lacking is players with secondary videocodec and extra memory (256MB). BD-J that handles IME is working in ALL Blu-ray players today.

Players that follow Profile 1.1 have been announced and it will be mandatory for new players to have a secondary videocodec and atleast 256MB of memory.

[jadafa]

Originally Posted by Canada

Wow 85% of HD DVD's don't have lossless audio glad I am part of the Blu Ray camp . I am pretty up to date with my information on Blu Ray, but what is IME .

I believe it is "In Movie Experience" which is their PiP feature.