Blu-ray: English Audio & English Subtitle dialogue equal to each other? - Blu-ray Forum

Blu-Style · 01-25-2008, 01:37 AM

Hi,

I have to ask you guys something about US Blu-ray´s...

Yesterday I´ve noticed that the English Subtitle and the English Language weren´t always equal to each other...

The guy in the movie said something, but either there was shortly no sub, or they´ve translated it in the "good" / wrong way... That freaked me out...

So,

Is the English subtitle on a US Blu-ray always / (mostly) alike the Language ?
Cause I want to hear & read the same at a time...

Thnkx.

gettin' bodied · 01-25-2008, 01:49 AM

...huh?

Blu-Style · 01-25-2008, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gettin' bodied

...huh?

Is my Engrish so terrible ?

WickyWoo · 01-25-2008, 01:58 AM

The general rule on a subtitle is that the average person should be able to read it 3 times before it vanishes

Hence the shortening

Blu-Style · 01-25-2008, 02:01 AM

But sometimes the conversation & the subtitle don´t match with each other...

Is this common ?

WickyWoo · 01-25-2008, 02:03 AM

Are you watching a movie dubbed into English? Or maybe a subtitle track for a commentary? Those are becoming more common

Can you give us titles and timecodes?

Blu-Style · 01-25-2008, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Are you watching a movie dubbed into English? Or maybe a subtitle track for a commentary? Those are becoming more common

Can you give us titles and timecodes?

No, no,

Hm... let me explain it like this:

Here´s a clip from the movie "Road Trip" = http://youtube.com/watch?v=wYumJ2ruv0E

He said:
"Look at me I´m a mouse eat me eat me eat me eat me..."

But the Subtitle was:
" (Barey) I´m a Mouse, eat me ..."

that wasn´t a BIIIIIIGGGG mistake, but still not exactly what he was saying...
So that was not the same.

There are many more cut / wrong translations in it...

Is this common ?

sj001 · 01-25-2008, 02:36 AM

I've seen a lot of movies where the subtitles don't match what they are saying exactly, but it's close... almost like a "you get the picture" type thing.

I think it should be exact of course... not sure of the reasoning.

WickyWoo · 01-25-2008, 03:16 AM

the stuff in parentheses is for deaf people

And the rule I described above applies. Has to be able to be read by an average person 3 times, so they shorten it for speed

w_tanoto · 01-25-2008, 05:22 AM

not always.... believe me. I always turn subtitles on, either on english, french or Indonesian (Bruce Almighty BD only)

French subs was most terrible. It sometimes only matches few words if you set the audio to french.

jd213 · 01-25-2008, 07:33 AM

Sometimes the English captions are based off of a script before ad-libbing and final changes are made, so you get slight to moderate differences. Occasionally lines can be very different.

I've noticed this in other languages as well. For example, it seems to happen way too often in anime. The Japanese captions on the Ghost in the Shell (1st movie) Blu-Ray are totally different from the Japanese dialogue.

Blu-Style · 01-25-2008, 11:23 AM

Hm... well... I guess I have to deal with it then...

Ok, thanks.

Mark Malmstrøm · 02-08-2012, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

not always.... believe me. I always turn subtitles on, either on english, french or Indonesian (Bruce Almighty BD only)

French subs was most terrible. It sometimes only matches few words if you set the audio to french.

Aren't the french subtitle supposed to be a tranlation on the english language while the french audio is supposed to make the movie french in understanding and mouth-movement ????

On a side note I belive the danish subtitles for DAS BOOT has been translated from the english audio track which is wrong - it should be translated from the german track

01-25-2008, 01:37 AM	#1
Blu-Style Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Германия	Blu-ray: English Audio & English Subtitle dialogue equal to each other? Hi, I have to ask you guys something about US Blu-ray´s... Yesterday I´ve noticed that the English Subtitle and the English Language weren´t always equal to each other... The guy in the movie said something, but either there was shortly no sub, or they´ve translated it in the "good" / wrong way... That freaked me out... So, Is the English subtitle on a US Blu-ray always / (mostly) alike the Language ? Cause I want to hear & read the same at a time... Thnkx. Last edited by Blu-Style; 01-25-2008 at 01:58 AM.

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01-25-2008, 01:49 AM	#2
gettin' bodied Member Member since:Jan 2008	...huh?

01-25-2008, 01:58 AM	#4
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	The general rule on a subtitle is that the average person should be able to read it 3 times before it vanishes Hence the shortening

01-25-2008, 02:01 AM	#5
Blu-Style Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Германия	But sometimes the conversation & the subtitle don´t match with each other... Is this common ?

01-25-2008, 02:03 AM	#6
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Are you watching a movie dubbed into English? Or maybe a subtitle track for a commentary? Those are becoming more common Can you give us titles and timecodes?

01-25-2008, 02:36 AM	#8
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	I've seen a lot of movies where the subtitles don't match what they are saying exactly, but it's close... almost like a "you get the picture" type thing. I think it should be exact of course... not sure of the reasoning.

01-25-2008, 03:16 AM	#9
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	the stuff in parentheses is for deaf people And the rule I described above applies. Has to be able to be read by an average person 3 times, so they shorten it for speed

01-25-2008, 05:22 AM	#10
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	not always.... believe me. I always turn subtitles on, either on english, french or Indonesian (Bruce Almighty BD only) French subs was most terrible. It sometimes only matches few words if you set the audio to french.

01-25-2008, 07:33 AM	#11
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	Sometimes the English captions are based off of a script before ad-libbing and final changes are made, so you get slight to moderate differences. Occasionally lines can be very different. I've noticed this in other languages as well. For example, it seems to happen way too often in anime. The Japanese captions on the Ghost in the Shell (1st movie) Blu-Ray are totally different from the Japanese dialogue.

01-25-2008, 11:23 AM	#12
Blu-Style Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Германия	Hm... well... I guess I have to deal with it then... Ok, thanks.

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