Transformers uses AVC - Blu-ray Forum

stockstar1138 · 10-12-2007, 08:17 PM

I just found this out. sorry, if its been posted. im on the ps3 so i can't copy and paste the link, but a review at hi-def preview has come out on the hd dvd release. they said its very good PQ and used an AVC encode. This most likely means the money came from Toshiba and not MS as MS would have demanded its VC-1 encoding. It also hints that Para***** is thinking ahead to a blu-ray release imo, hang in there guys only 16 months.

dobyblue · 10-12-2007, 08:22 PM

Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

Slapper · 10-12-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

I'd bet money on it.

Spankey · 10-12-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

And chose to use the better looking Blu-ray encode.

WickyWoo · 10-12-2007, 08:25 PM

Since they were using AVC on Blu-Ray, it makes more sense to do a Blu encode and then squish more for HD than to use 2 diff systems. That way you can use previous pass data as well.

This is not a "blu-ray encode". Plenty of Japanese titles use AVC for HD DVD

spam.curitiba · 10-12-2007, 08:25 PM

no lossless...wow........

radagast · 10-12-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

If that's true, then it means that while Para***** was format neutral, they were going to use AVC for both formats while Warner is using VC-1 for both.

Thanks again, Warner.

Rio · 10-13-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

Yeah, I heard that from a person who checks Japanese Paramount titles said she received BD version check discs before the announcement

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In my opinion, Paramount seems not care about codec, maybe choice of codec is the preference of their posthouse. Something like it is AVC when Technicolor (Thomson, "Tiger" AVC encoder) is authoring, VC-1 when GDMX, Deluxe is doing. Just conjecture...

aristotles · 10-13-2007, 03:05 AM

Well, I'm going to wait for the Blu-ray version.

jw · 10-13-2007, 03:27 AM

i WANT EVERYONE TO PRINT THIS OUT AND POST THIS IN THE HIGH DEF SECTION OF THEIR FAV STORE ON TUESDAY:

DEAR VALUED CONSUMER,
THANKS FOR YOU INTEREST IN TRANSFORMERS, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO OUR GREED WE ARE UNABLE TO PROVIDE A QUALITY HIGH DEF VERSION OF THIS FILM, SO WE HAD TO GIVE YOU A SUBPAR VERSION UNTIL OUR 150 MILLION DOLLARS RUNS OUT. PLEASE KEEP CHECKING BACK AND ASKING FOR TRANSFORMERS ON BLU-RAY.
THANKS FOR YOU UNDERSTANDING!
YOUR RICH FRIENDS AT PARAMOUNT.....LOL

Scorxpion · 10-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Let's not forget too that SONY helped them too much in authoring titles in AVC,For this reason they have what they have now.BUT Para***** choose to let SONY DOWN in favor of MONEY.At least they should appreciate the hard work done by sony engineers how learned them to encode titles correctly.

ryoohki · 10-13-2007, 04:06 PM

Btw you can't use BluRay encoded stream for HD DVD.

Peak video bitrate for HD DVD have to be under 27mbits

While Bluray it have to be under 41mbits

The latest Paramount Encode in AVC done for BluRay where peaking at 35mbits...

BTBuck1 · 10-13-2007, 04:11 PM

NEXT on HDDVD was/is AVC too.

gand41f · 10-13-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryoohki

Btw you can't use BluRay encoded stream for HD DVD.

Peak video bitrate for HD DVD have to be under 27mbits

While Bluray it have to be under 41mbits

The latest Paramount Encode in AVC done for BluRay where peaking at 35mbits...

This might be why there is no lossless audio. They first did the Blu-ray encode, then redid the high-peak scenes to fit under DUD's inferior limit. This way they could fit the video under the limit, but had to also replace the lossless audio with lossy audio?

enjoy
gandalf

ryoohki · 10-13-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gand41f

This might be why there is no lossless audio. They first did the Blu-ray encode, then redid the high-peak scenes to fit under DUD's inferior limit. This way they could fit the video under the limit, but had to also replace the lossless audio with lossy audio?

enjoy
gandalf

This is a strange decision indeed.. the movie is 2.35:1 so it takes less to encode that a full 1.85:1 movie. But it Move A LOT,TF have a lot of rapid quick camera movement and change and that heat bandwitdh. Troy DC have a TrueHD track and is longer. A TrueHD track in 16bit takes about 2.1 mbits bandwithd with peaks at about 3 and low at 1.1.. a 24bit about 4.2mbits (peak at 5-5.1 top) but you have to count the other tracks as well etc etc.. so it's a tight fit..

Copywriter · 10-13-2007, 05:29 PM

Well, it's HD DVD. You can't have it all I guess.

Great picture, crappy sound.
Great sound, crappy picture.
or
mediocre everything

Choose your destiny!

WriteSimply · 10-13-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gand41f

This might be why there is no lossless audio. They first did the Blu-ray encode, then redid the high-peak scenes to fit under DUD's inferior limit. This way they could fit the video under the limit, but had to also replace the lossless audio with lossy audio?

As I understood it, the way HD-DVD packs data is different than the way BD packs it. So the video conversion can go HD-DVD->BD but not the other way around. This is also the reason why there is DD Plus for HD-DVD but it is not needed for BD (unless there are extra discrete channels).

fuad

Blu-Light · 10-13-2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copywriter

Well, it's HD DVD. You can't have it all I guess.

Great picture, crappy sound.
Great sound, crappy picture.
or
mediocre everything

Choose your destiny!

So true.

Blu-Light · 10-13-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

So true.

And I might add: Choose blu-ray for no compromises.

gandley · 10-13-2007, 10:00 PM

how much bandwidth are the IME features using as well? is there a PiP feature?

with hddvd you cant have it all, somthings got to give, and for this release it was lossless audio. way to support movie enthusiasts.

Why do people bother with this format again??

10-12-2007, 08:17 PM	#1
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	Transformers uses AVC I just found this out. sorry, if its been posted. im on the ps3 so i can't copy and paste the link, but a review at hi-def preview has come out on the hd dvd release. they said its very good PQ and used an AVC encode. This most likely means the money came from Toshiba and not MS as MS would have demanded its VC-1 encoding. It also hints that Para***** is thinking ahead to a blu-ray release imo, hang in there guys only 16 months.

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10-12-2007, 08:22 PM	#2
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Also, they probably had Transformers encoded before August 28th.

10-12-2007, 08:25 PM	#5
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Since they were using AVC on Blu-Ray, it makes more sense to do a Blu encode and then squish more for HD than to use 2 diff systems. That way you can use previous pass data as well. This is not a "blu-ray encode". Plenty of Japanese titles use AVC for HD DVD

10-12-2007, 08:25 PM	#6
spam.curitiba Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:172 Blu-ray reviews:2	no lossless...wow........

10-13-2007, 03:05 AM	#9
aristotles Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:401 Blu-ray reviews:1	Well, I'm going to wait for the Blu-ray version.

10-13-2007, 03:27 AM	#10
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	i WANT EVERYONE TO PRINT THIS OUT AND POST THIS IN THE HIGH DEF SECTION OF THEIR FAV STORE ON TUESDAY: DEAR VALUED CONSUMER, THANKS FOR YOU INTEREST IN TRANSFORMERS, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO OUR GREED WE ARE UNABLE TO PROVIDE A QUALITY HIGH DEF VERSION OF THIS FILM, SO WE HAD TO GIVE YOU A SUBPAR VERSION UNTIL OUR 150 MILLION DOLLARS RUNS OUT. PLEASE KEEP CHECKING BACK AND ASKING FOR TRANSFORMERS ON BLU-RAY. THANKS FOR YOU UNDERSTANDING! YOUR RICH FRIENDS AT PARAMOUNT.....LOL

10-13-2007, 01:23 PM	#11
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	Let's not forget too that SONY helped them too much in authoring titles in AVC,For this reason they have what they have now.BUT Para***** choose to let SONY DOWN in favor of MONEY.At least they should appreciate the hard work done by sony engineers how learned them to encode titles correctly.

10-13-2007, 04:06 PM	#12
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Btw you can't use BluRay encoded stream for HD DVD. Peak video bitrate for HD DVD have to be under 27mbits While Bluray it have to be under 41mbits The latest Paramount Encode in AVC done for BluRay where peaking at 35mbits...

10-13-2007, 04:11 PM	#13
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	NEXT on HDDVD was/is AVC too.

10-13-2007, 05:29 PM	#16
Copywriter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Vegas Baby, Vegas	Well, it's HD DVD. You can't have it all I guess. Great picture, crappy sound. Great sound, crappy picture. or mediocre everything Choose your destiny!

10-13-2007, 10:00 PM	#20
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	how much bandwidth are the IME features using as well? is there a PiP feature? with hddvd you cant have it all, somthings got to give, and for this release it was lossless audio. way to support movie enthusiasts. Why do people bother with this format again??

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