3 Films by Roberto Rossellini Starring Ingrid Bergman (1950-1954)

[traths]

Does anybody who owns this set have any audio issues? I've played both the English version and the Italian version with English subtitles and the audio is out of sync. It's not like that the whole movie but each of these three films have moments where the audio is a bit off.





I've been meaning to post about this for a while but I keep forgetting about it.

I can't believe there wasn't a thread created for this set yet.

[RockyIII]

I'm confused. Was this originally in English or Italian? Which language is dubbed??

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I'm confused. Was this originally in English or Italian? Which language is dubbed??

According to IMDB, the movie was originally in Italian, and the Criterion have English subtitles.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by slimdude

According to IMDB, the movie was originally in Italian, and the Criterion have English subtitles.

But Ingrid did not speak Italian. Also the Italian version sounds fake (lip sync off). Were they acting in English or Italian on set??

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But Ingrid did not speak Italian. Also the Italian version sounds fake (lip sync off). Were they acting in English or Italian on set??

There are many actors and actresses who're bilingual, and can speak multiple languages. English may not be their first language as many audiences had thought. Ingrid Bergman had spoken five languages which are: French, Swedish, German, English and Italian. She was gifted.

https://www.criterion.com/current/po...five-languages

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by slimdude

There are many actors and actresses who're bilingual, and can speak multiple languages. English may not be their first language as many audiences had thought. Ingrid Bergman had spoken five languages which are: French, Swedish, German, English and Italian.

https://www.criterion.com/current/po...five-languages

But my question is whether she did her lines in English or Italian.
What's the original track?

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But my question is whether she did her lines in English or Italian.
What's the original track?

She probably spoke in Italian, since Europe 51 is a foreign Italian movie. She was capable of speaking Italian, so there wouldn't be a reason why the director would want her to speak English in a Italian movie, when she knew how to speak the native Italian language, which is why the movie has English subtitles, so that the American audiences could read and understand the film, if they didn't know the language.

[magnusbe]

Italian films were mostly post-synched in this period (and later). What is really the original audio is then up to you... You could have actors speaking in different languages at the shoot, and the Italian version was recorded in a studio later.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by slimdude

She probably spoke in Italian, since Europe 51 is a foreign Italian movie. She was capable of speaking Italian, so there wouldn't be a reason why the director would want her to speak English in a Italian movie, when she knew how to speak the native Italian language, which is why the movie has English subtitles, so that the American audiences could read and understand the film, if they didn't know the language.

Originally Posted by magnusbe

Italian films were mostly post-synched in this period (and later). What is really the original audio is then up to you... You could have actors speaking in different languages at the shoot, and the Italian version was recorded in a studio later.

So when she speaks Italian that's her real voice on set but when she speaks English in the English track it's still her voice post recorded in studio (or vice versa??

[Cholly]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So when she speaks Italian that's her real voice on set but when she speaks English in the English track it's still her voice post recorded in studio (or vice versa??

She was dubbed. She recorded her dialog and spoke in english while Italian actors wouldve recorded theirs in Italian.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So when she speaks Italian that's her real voice on set but when she speaks English in the English track it's still her voice post recorded in studio (or vice versa??

Yes. You can tell when a voice over is done by another person, when the voice doesn't match or sound like the original actress or actor in the movie.

[magnusbe]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So when she speaks Italian that's her real voice on set but when she speaks English in the English track it's still her voice post recorded in studio (or vice versa??

All voice is (probably) recorded in studio, both English and Italian.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Cholly

She was dubbed. She recorded her dialog and spoke in english while Italian actors wouldve recorded theirs in Italian.

Originally Posted by slimdude

Yes. You can tell when a voice over is done by another person, when the voice doesn't match or sound like the original actress or actor in the movie.

Originally Posted by magnusbe

All voice is (probably) recorded in studio, both English and Italian.

That's too bad because both versions sound unrealistic and also with either version you rather miss out either the original voices in English (italian version) or the original voices in Italian (english version).
No good. I spent aeveral minutes messing around with my Denon audio sync setting trying to speed up or slow down audio to have lips match voices but now I see why it was of no use.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

That's too bad because both versions sound unrealistic and also with either version you rather miss out either the original voices in English (italian version) or the original voices in Italian (english version).
No good. I spent aeveral minutes messing around with my Denon audio sync setting trying to speed up or slow down audio to have lips match voices but now I see why it was of no use.

If a viewer doesn't know the native language, It's best to watch a foreign film with English subtitles because of this reason. It's very seldom I watch foreign films but when I do, I read the subtitles.The last movie I watched recently was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and I read the English subtitles throughout the movie.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by slimdude

If a viewer doesn't know the native language, It's best to watch a foreign film with English subtitles because of this reason. It's very seldom I watch foreign films but when I do, I read the subtitles.The last movie I watched recently was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and I read the English subtitles throughout the movie.

I watch foreign movies in foreign languages with subtitles all the time. But in this case you can't avoid very bas dubbibg in either version.

[monorail91]

For most (if not all?) Italian movies of that era, they didn’t have access to good microphones for on-set filming, so all the audio came in post. You even see this going into the 1960s with 8 1/2 as an example.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by monorail91

For most (if not all?) Italian movies of that era, they didn’t have access to good microphones for on-set filming, so all the audio came in post. You even see this going into the 1960s with 8 1/2 as an example.

Good post and explanation. Thanks!

[nitin]

Journey to Italy is meant to be seen in English.

In Stromboli, she plays a Lithuanian character that ends up on a remote Italian island and struggles to communicate with and interact with the locals. In the English version of the film, that comes across in a much more satisfying way. Although I believe Bergman did dub herself in the Italian version too.

I have not seen Europe/Europa 51 yet.