New York Circle of Film Critics Winners 2012...

[Ernest Rister]

Best Film
Zero Dark Thirty

Best Director
Kathryn Bigelow (Zero Dark Thirty)

Best Screenplay
Tony Kushner (Lincoln)

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis (Lincoln)

Best Actress
Rachel Weisz (The Deep Blue Sea)

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour

Best Animated Film
Frankenweenie

Best Supporting Actor
Matthew McConaughey (Bernie, Magic Mike)

Best Supporting Actress
Sally Field (Lincoln)

Best Cinematographer
Greig Fraser (Zero Dark Thirty)

Best Non-Fiction Film (Documentary)
The Central Park Five

Best First Film
David France (How To Survive A Plague)

[Strevlac]

Best Cinematographer
Greig Fraser (Zero Dark Thirty)

It's official: The phrase "good cinematography" has lost all meaning.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Best Director
Kathryn Bigelow (Zero Dark Thirty)

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I can't believe this chick won an Oscar for a movie that barely anyway saw and which was total flop at the box office.

[42041]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I can't believe this chick won an Oscar for a movie that barely anyway saw and which was total flop at the box office.

Box office should be the determining factor for best picture Oscars?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by 42041

Box office should be the determining factor for best picture Oscars?

It helps. I think HURT LOCKER's win was a snub at James Cameron. It was the film everyone could get behind to keep themselves from voting for AVATAR.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It helps. I think HURT LOCKER's win was a snub at James Cameron. It was the film everyone could get behind to keep themselves from voting for AVATAR.

Agreed.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It helps. I think HURT LOCKER's win was a snub at James Cameron. It was the film everyone could get behind to keep themselves from voting for AVATAR.

Box office should be a factor, I can't believe a film that was deemed the "Best" could not find an audience.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Box office should be a factor, I can't believe a film that was deemed the "Best" could not find an audience.

Some topics people just don't want to see. That doesn't mean the film was poorly made.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Some topics people just don't want to see. That doesn't mean the film was poorly made.

I'm not talking about a huge box office, but at least something that was at least a bit of a success. Hurt Locker was a box office mess, big time!

[Foggy]

Yet Hurt Locker's DVD sales were great and it was one of the highest illegally downloaded film in it's year.

Let's focus on the films should we, Zero Dark Thirty is getting tremendous hype and I believe the critics have seen the film and none of us have.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It helps. I think HURT LOCKER's win was a snub at James Cameron. It was the film everyone could get behind to keep themselves from voting for AVATAR.

Oh, the Academy didn't want to snub Cameron, you kidding? It only got its Best Picture nomination from all the Hollywood elite now wanting to shmooze, hobnob, and otherwise be bestest-pal of the Guy Who Now Had Two All Time #1's. (And all on his OWN, too! Gee, maybe if I rub Cameron's head for good luck, I'll have a hit production independent of the studios, someday!)
That said, the mass unified push for Hurt Locker did have a strong backing from the other longtime voters who looked at Avatar's picture nomination, said "You've got to be f'n kidding...What are we, the Golden Globes?? ", and tried to fight the Inevitable.

(See related article under "Chris Nolan/Inception")

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I'm not talking about a huge box office, but at least something that was at least a bit of a success. Hurt Locker was a box office mess, big time!

Hurt Locker played a handful of art/indie theaters IF you could find one within thirty miles, had an unhelpful title with vague marketing, and rather than a nailbiting action piece, promised to be yet another--yeesh!--PC-lecturing get-out-of-Iraq title, just after we'd finally gotten rid of "Lions For Lambs". (Yes, Hollywood, we hated Bush too, what did you expect us to do about it?)
Throw in the good-vs.-evil element of being "crushed" by Transformers 2 the same week, and the movie practically was carried to Best Picture on disgruntled critics' shoulders for sympathy campaigns. (Remember Roger Ebert's "Why didn't you see it?" column, among dozens of other critics'?)

Up till now, Argo was a strong contender, and 0D30 has the new critic momentum (it would probably be reversed if the openings were reversed)--
But like people last year got their lil' brains mixed up about "Hugo" and "Adventures of Tintin" (wait, was Hugo the cartoon? ), there is the danger of people thinking the tight, dark commando Iran movie and the tight, dark commando Bin Laden movie are one movie, they just forgot the title.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Hurt Locker played a handful of art/indie theaters IF you could find one within thirty miles, had an unhelpful title with vague marketing, and rather than a tight action piece, promised to be yet another--yeesh!--PC-lecturing get-out-of-Iraq title, just after we'd finally gotten rid of "Lions For Lambs". (Yes, Hollywood, we hated Bush too, what did you expect us to do about it?)
Throw in opening the same week as TF2, and the movie practically was carried to Best Picture on disgruntled critics' shoulders for sympathy campaigns. (Remember Roger Ebert's "Why didn't you see it?" column, among dozens of other critics'?)

Up till now, Argo was a strong contender, and ZD30 has the new critic momentum (it would probably be reversed if the openings were reversed)--
But like people last year got their lil' brains mixed up about "Hugo" and "Adventures of Tintin" (wait, was Hugo the cartoon? ), there is the danger of people thinking the tight, dark commando Iran movie and the tight, dark commando Bin Laden movie are one movie, they just forgot the title.

Nice post!!!!

[Hucksta G]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I can't believe this chick won an Oscar for a movie that barely anyway saw and which was total flop at the box office.

Irrelevant, a good film should win, not a most watched film.

[ilovenola2]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I can't believe this chick won an Oscar for a movie that barely anyway saw and which was total flop at the box office.

The members of the Academy voted it Best Picture. Plenty of people saw it and box office doesn't, or shouldn't, matter as far as the voting is concerned. The film, by the way, is superb!

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Nice post!!!!

Uh, I'd read it again; you seem to be going on "It flopped, good riddance!", and I'm going on "It was a good movie sabotaged in the theaters, got rampant sympathy votes, and blew up Cameron's Death Star"...Wouldn't necessarily call that "agreement".

And FTR, it is. It was take nothing less than Kathy Bigelow to force me watch an Iraq War movie--let alone two of them--but she did it. She must be hiding a secret Y chromosome somewhere, she couldn't have made "Strange Days" without one. )

[Jasonic]

Originally Posted by Hucksta G

Irrelevant, a good film should win, not a most watched film.

If that were the case, then more foreign films should get love and not just the occasional Crouching Tiger or Pan's Labyrinth.

[assydingo]

Nice to see Frankenweenie get some props. Although it wasn't my favorite animated film of the year I had a huge smile on my face while watching it.

[Hucksta G]

Originally Posted by Jasonic

If that were the case, then more foreign films should get love and not just the occasional Crouching Tiger or Pan's Labyrinth.

I agree, I was just saying it was irrelevant to me if a film made money or not, and I feel it should be judged for being a good film at award shows, not box office.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Uh, I'd read it again; you seem to be going on "It flopped, good riddance!", and I'm going on "It was a good movie sabotaged in the theaters, got rampant sympathy votes, and blew up Cameron's Death Star"...Wouldn't necessarily call that "agreement".

And FTR, it is. It was take nothing less than Kathy Bigelow to force me watch an Iraq War movie--let alone two of them--but she did it. She must be hiding a secret Y chromosome somewhere, she couldn't have made "Strange Days" without one. )

I just found your post funny!!!!

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Box office should be a factor, I can't believe a film that was deemed the "Best" could not find an audience.

Massive logic fail.